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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:34 am   Post subject:   

I agree Todd, I just wonder if there wasn't a mistake...I don't know of any carrier that does this...I too am interested in Gieco's stance on this...If I get some time today I might just try and track down a Gieco adjuster and find out their company SOP, regarding this...I see them occasionally at shops, plan to be in three different ones today...if not I'm sure I can get a phone number for one...



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:56 pm   Post subject:   

The IIHS or CAPA does not crash test aftermarket parts. Both organizations are insurance financed and are not independant. If either oganization does please provide a link. Thanks.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:27 pm   Post subject:   

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In March 2000, the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety reaffirmed that the source of a car's cosmetic crash parts is irrelevant to crashworthiness. Using a 1997 Toyota Camry, OEM cosmetic parts were removed and the hood replaced with a CAPA-certified hood from an aftermarket supplier. The crash test results from a 40-mph frontal offset impact were compared with results from an identical crash test performed on an identical Camry with the OEM parts still intact. Both Camrys performed with distinction and earned good crashworthiness ratings according to the Institute's evaluation procedures. CAPA-certified parts have been proven to perform identically to car company brand parts in every significant aspect. With this data as proof, CAPA uses the term “functionally equivalent” to describe how its parts rank in relation to the OEM cosmetic parts it replaces. This is a much stronger term than “of like kind and quality,” the term used in state and local laws and regulations to describe the standard for replacement parts used in the repair of automobiles.


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The Institute for Highway Safety conducted further studies, too. In March 2000, it again concluded that the source of cosmetic replacement parts has nothing to do with the car's subsequent crashworthiness


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:28 pm   Post subject:   

Found this great chart!

Couldn't get to copy exactly...hope this makes sense...here's the link



http://www.iii.org/media/hottopics/insurance/genericauto/







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STATE AFTERMARKET PARTS LEGISLATION AND REGULATION (1)



As of June 2008







State -(first 'x') Logo, ID-number or mfg.'s name(2nd 'x')-Estimate must identify non-OEM parts(3rd 'x')-Disclosure statement -Prior consent(4th or final 'x')



Alabama X X X

Alaska

Arizona X X X

Arkansas X X X X (2)

California X X X X

Colorado X X X

Connecticut X X

Delaware

D.C.

Florida X X

Georgia X X X

Hawaii X X X

Idaho X X X

Illinois X X X

Indiana X X (3)

Iowa X X X

Kansas X (4) X (4)

Kentucky

Louisiana X X X

Maine

Maryland X X

Massachusetts X X

Michigan X X

Minnesota

Mississippi X X X

Missouri X X X

Montana

Nebraska X X X

Nevada X X

New Hampshire X X X

New Jersey X X X

New Mexico X

New York X X

North Carolina X X

North Dakota

Ohio X X X X

Oklahoma X X X

Oregon X X X

Pennsylvania X X

Rhode Island X (6) X X (5)

South Carolina

South Dakota X X X

Tennessee X X X

Texas X

Utah X X X X

Vermont

Virginia X X

Washington X X X

West Virginia X (7) X (7)

Wisconsin X X X

Wyoming X X X X

(1) This chart covers regulations concerning only aftermarket parts, which are new parts made by a company other than the original vehicle manufacturer. This chart does not cover regulations for using used, rebuilt, or reconditioned parts.

(2) Consent required if vehicle is still under original warranty.

(3) Consent required for the five years after a vehicle's model year.

(4) Does not apply to vehicles more than 10 model years of age or older.

(5) For vehicles less than 30 months beyond date of manufacture, repair shop shall not use non-OEM parts without consent of vehicle owner.

(6) Applies to the repair bill.

(7) Generic crash parts sufficient to maintain warranty must be used in repairs for a period of three years beginning with the year of manufacture.



Source: Property Casualty Insurers Association of America.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:43 pm   Post subject:   

One tested part(s) from a 1997 vehicle does not mean that all aftermarket parts have been tested or are safe. I would particularly like to see the results of a core support or bumper reinforcement as these components are generally considered structural and have influence on air bag timing.

IIHS and CAPA are both soley insurance funded organizations and are the only ones to proclaim aftermarket parts are just as good as original. Their findings must be taken with a grain of salt. Follow the money trail and the rest is academic.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:49 pm   Post subject:   

Sorry, you asked,/said

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The IIHS or CAPA does not crash test aftermarket parts.
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If either oganization does please provide a link. Thanks.
And clearly they do...









Who tests ford, gm and all the other parts? that would be them and the iihs right?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:59 pm   Post subject:   

The NHTSA crash tests new vehicles.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:17 am   Post subject:   

Ok, but I don't see where they test ANY vehicles with ANY replacment parts.



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 2:20 pm   Post subject:   

Replacing a genuine bolt on part with another genuine bolt part would more than likely produce no change. Too bad they do not test aftermarket parts or even a vehicle that has been repaired using say an OEM new core support.



The tragedy occurs when a vehicle was purchased by the consumer based on a NHTSA crash test rating and then after a front end collision an aftermarket core support, bumper reinforcement, bumper brackets hood and two fenders are used. This has the potential to alter the air bag timing and now is an untested frankenstein machine. For an insurance company to mandate the use of these crash parts is a disservice to an unsuspecting consumer. The diminished value is huge but the much bigger issue is safety. Most consumers, especially those with children, want a vehicle that will protect their family, as best as possible, in the event of a collision. Should the air bag timing become altered and the airbag deploy too late causing it to smack you in the face after the impact is just rude.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 4:18 pm   Post subject:   

CAPA CERTIFIED PARTS are only test fit certfied. No representations are made as to the quality of the metal or the safety of the part. Along with the CAPA label "another warning label" should be affixed alerting the consumer that these parts have not been crash tested but merely test fit only.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:09 pm   Post subject:   

They reverse engineer these parts. They copy cat them just like an old mattel thing -a-majig or creepy crawly toy maker from the sixties. They assume that they will survive a crash test because american car manufacturers have spent a lot of invested money proving that the original do. But some posters have made it clear how they feel about assumptions.



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:05 pm   Post subject:   

The company(s) I work for do not use ANY a/m structure components....at all....as noted prior though apparently there have been some crash tests with aftermarket outter sheet metal with good outcomes...



Personall I wish all companies would sell endorcements for new oems parts replacement only...It sure would make everyones job much much easier.



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:41 pm   Post subject:   

I stand corrected, they have only tested hoods. But the _reason_ AM parts have not been tested is that they don't need to be. It's been shown that they don't provide any safety factors (just another way the OEM try to scare people).

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I would particularly like to see the results of a core support or bumper reinforcement as these components are generally considered structural and have influence on air bag timing.
I don't know of any insurance companies that don't only use CAPA parts. I don't see that CAPA certifies the parts you have mentioned... so I tend to thing that insurance companies don't use them. Perhaps just another way people are meant to be scared by AM parts.



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:41 am   Post subject:   

........................Some of you will recall the cover story of the February 1999 issue of "Consumer Reports" that featured another hood that flew up in the face of a Honda Accord owner. That also was a CAPA-certified part with a major nonconformity that caused it and others like it to fly in the face of its owners......





...................What spurred this rhetorical question is the most recent incident in which a CAPA-certified aftermarket replacement hood on a Toyota Tacoma opened unexpectedly when a technician took it for a test drive. What preliminary investigations have determined is that the secondary striker on the hood contained a nonconformity................







http://www.bodyshopbusiness.com/Article/3419/more_jackinthebox_hoods.a spx



Some insurance companies use CAPA certified aftermaket parts only and others use any aftermarket available. Since CAPA is a test fit only certification it is probably beyond the scope of their involvement to actually weld on a part to test its fitment. Anyone who has ever had to use these parts and try to produce an invisable repair knows they are rarely as good as original.



http://www.search-autoparts.com/searchautoparts/Industry+News/CAPA-dec ertifies-non-OEM-hood-cites-improper-safet/ArticleStandard/Article/det ail/20131

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:05 am   Post subject:   

Again, I'm really hoping we are not going to beat a dead horse as all of this information has been discussed in a prior thread.



But without going into details let me ask... are OEM parts perfect? Let me know what you get around to answering that question and we can go from there (I'll help... from the same time frame there had been 52recalls on the same OEM hoods, most were related to the latches). Also, why have car manufacturers not told the public about the testing they have done on AM parts, including hoods? Do you think it's because they have not? Of course they have... Chrysler's own reports performed 30mph crash tests using AM hoods. Want to know what they found?



Sorry, I'll give you just one more question... are AM parts legal? Same proposal... let me know what you want to answer this question.



BTW - you're article is 6 years old.



If you care to read the prior thread you know that no one here _wants_ to use AM parts... adjuster would _much_ rather use 100% new OEM parts. But let me ask the same question I asked in the prior thread... are you ready to pay a whole lot more for your insurance as a result? Of, feel free to answer that question as well.



But can we _please_ stay on topic of this thread so we don't have to accumulate 20 pages of the same information all over again.



The question was, should an insurance company use AM parts on a 2008 vehicle with 8,000 miles. I don't think anyone here thinks they should.

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