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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:53 am   Post subject:   

I will try to answer ALL of your questions:

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are OEM parts perfect?


No. Sometimes they have small shipping dents and must be exchanged. On one occasion, in my experience, a Honda door was dimensionaly incorrect. The warranty claims that Keystone pays out to shops for defects is in my estimation is about 100 for every one OEM.

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But without going into details let me ask... are OEM parts perfect? Let me know what you get around to answering that question and we can go from there (I'll help... from the same time frame there had been 52recalls on the same OEM hoods, most were related to the latches). Also, why have car manufacturers not told the public about the testing they have done on AM parts, including hoods? Do you think it's because they have not? Of course they have... Chrysler's own reports performed 30mph crash tests using AM hoods. Want to know what they found?

I assume they performed as well as an OEM?

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Sorry, I'll give you just one more question... are AM parts legal? Same proposal... let me know what you want to answer this question.


Most are legal. Ford has gone after some manufacturers where they hold patents. If a copyrighted logo is stamped or embossed into the part it absolutely canot be duplicated legally. For instance you will not find a Mustang rear bumper cover that has Mustang embossed into it available as an aftermarket part.

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are you ready to pay a whole lot more for your insurance as a result? Of, feel free to answer that question as well.


It depends on what kind of vehicle I am insuring. If its a 7 year old Hyundai then the answer is no. If its a three year old Lexus, then yes I would. I should have a choice between two kinds of polices. As it is now the consumer has no idea that AM parts will be substituted until a loss occurs. This is quite deceptive on the insurers part. This type of deception is not tolerated in any other industry I can think of. If the OEM's really wanted to do away with aftermarket parts it would be very easy. Just emboss or imprint copyrighted logos into all sheet metal parts. The OEM's want to sell new vehicles first and foremost. Parts can be more of a burden than a profit center for them.

The issue is that consumers should be told before a loss occurs that aftermarket parts will used so that the consumer can make an informed insurance purchase decision. Springing this on them and the repairer at the worst possible time , after they purchased the policy and then involved in an accident, is just wrong.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:05 am   Post subject:   

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The OEM's want to sell new vehicles first and foremost. Parts can be more of a burden than a profit center for them.
Huh? Vehicle manufacturers make WAY more money from parts then from selling their vehicles!
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The issue is that consumers should be told before a loss occurs that aftermarket parts will used so that the consumer can make an informed insurance purchase decision. Springing this on them and the repairer at the worst possible time , after they purchased the policy and then involved in an accident, is just wrong.
In many cases it's a liability claim... which means laws apply. In some cases it's a 1st party claim and the insurance contract applies. If the person does not read their policy or ask questions or if the person does not know the laws, is the insurance company to blame for this?

As confirmed above, AM parts are not illegal. We've also established that there is also no indication that they are less safe then OEM parts.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:19 am   Post subject:   

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I should have a choice between two kinds of polices
I'll agree with you there...and there is a company or two that offer this (expensive) endorsement...

900500, I'm not sure if your an adjuster, collision repair tech/owner, or somewhere in between...but let me tell you (you may already know this)...since a/m parts have come so far, in quality and availablity the prices of oem have went thru the floor...to the point that nearly all of them are price matching a /m completely on every sheet! Now you and I both know they are 'still' making money on those parts, they are not giving them away....prior to this the prices were double/triple what they are now...if for no other reason, (and I think there are plenty of other reasons too)....this has to be seen as a good thing...for everyone...(well except now the big boys are making a reasonable markup rather than 100% or better Rolling Eyes )

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:49 pm   Post subject:   

http://abrn.search-autoparts.com/abrn/Collision+Repair/Hartford-DRP-on ly-policy-rider-draws-calls-for-ste/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/526 484?ref=25
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:11 pm   Post subject:   

I had to laugh a little...
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In exchange for a discount on their premiums...
and from Eversman...
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If this is successful, all the major insurance companies will do this and there will be no independent collision repair industry
Reminds me of Chicken Little. What Eversman is _really_ saying is that people should _not_ be given the choice of using DRPs for a reduced premium. We just can't have that! Imagine... insured's with _choices_. Everyone should be _required_ to pay higher premiums so that independent shops can charge what ever they want.

But this thread is really about using AM parts on newer vehicles. Feel free to start a new thread.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:45 pm   Post subject:   

I'll go on record (think I already did but hey)...NO I think the OP should get new oem parts on the 2008 vehicle...with less than 12-15k miles...
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:03 pm   Post subject:   

Doing a final bill on a 08 Mustang right now. Fender $149.68. Core support $457.92. Push down here, pop up there. Rivits $3.65 each! About $.20 aftermarket. I see little if any overall savings using AM parts, but what do i know.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:09 pm   Post subject:   

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but what do i know.
That sure is a familar quote Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:15 am   Post subject:   

Hi 900500,

This one seems to be an useful link for all!
Its quite true that the accident victims are left unaware of the choices that they have following a mishap. If they would come to know that they have the right to deny materials or get things repaired using materials that they feel is good...that would certainly make them happier..But I'd still need to see what the others have to say regarding whats said to have been goiung between the insurers & repairers. Even I have to see whether the regulators would still carry on sleeping or wake up to get things for the better!

Regards, ArindamSenIndies
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