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don't think the public is the driving force of DV... I think it's the people who make a living off pushing it that is the driving force
ABSOLUTELY! If 'someone' wasn't out there hocking their 'services' and insisting that every repair even a bumper cover causes diminished value, then it would be gone....unless and this is the only time I personally agree there is diminished value...if a vehicle has been repaired subpar, the body shop did a crappy repair job...then of course there is diminished value...but this is in EVERY repair of EVERY type....if the guy installing the siding on my house does a lousy job, then my house isn't worth as much either! But who's fault is that? My home owner's company ? NOT.....
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I'd rather not see any insurance company allow for AM parts. But the flip side is that parts prices would triple and insurance rates would be raised to accommodate it.
Honestly, I've been in this business in one way or another since 1986...In the past ten years or so, I've had virtually no trouble with a/m parts, it's very rare when it happens...fit, quality etc....and if there is an issue, it's handled quickly...the shops I deal with have no problem what so ever with these parts.....course they are ALL wrong, I'm sure according to MIke.....the cost of oem parts has fell thru the floor to the point that I've actually in the past month had two parts that oem was cheaper than a/m! can you imagine? Think this would have happened if a/m parts hadn't moved into main stream?


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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 4:36 pm   Post subject:   

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Honestly, I've been in this business in one way or another since 1986...In the past ten years or so, I've had virtually no trouble with a/m parts, it's very rare when it happens...fit, quality etc....and if there is an issue, it's handled quickly...the shops I deal with have no problem what so ever with these parts.....course they are ALL wrong, I'm sure according to MIke.....the cost of oem parts has fell thru the floor to the point that I've actually in the past month had two parts that oem was cheaper than a/m! can you imagine? Think this would have happened if a/m parts hadn't moved into main stream?




Just another insurance HAWKER NOT HOCKER extolling the virtues of parts they do not install and don't get to hear the commentary from the employees because a disgruntled employee could harm the shops dependence on the insurance referals. I bet you didn't even know that there is a report that there is contamination of radioactive isotopes in chinese steel which is used in the production of sheet metal parts. It's not okay to let kids play with lead based painted toys that are imported from China, but it's okay to expose american workers to the hazards of these parts and the consumers to losses in value from their use.



The reason that you see OEM parts priced lower is that they are trying to eliminate the use of some of the more egregious substitute parts. The use of these parts robs american steel workers of jobs and industries from creating the raw materials to produce quality galvanized protected, fitting parts. Aren't we giving enought foreign aid to countries that only care that we buy their products so we can become as dependent on them as some shops are on their subsistence from insurers? Go ahead put on taiwan sheetmetal drag our economy further in the ground and support some country that may someday control us.





Is the gecko , the cave man, and every other insurance advertisement hawking their product or service. I guess thats okay but Lori uses it to diminish and discredit the service that shopowners and myself who are expert repairment offer to help vehicle owners maintain the value in their vehicles, the safety, and to expose fraudulent activities that these insurance and shop alliances create.



Shops that say there are no problems with these parts are mandated to use a certain percentage on their grade cards or risk losing their place on the insurance teat. Not a very good representative example of honest opinions of these parts.


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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 4:51 pm   Post subject:   

The world is coming to an end! Beware!



Facts were not working out for you, huh? Now we are just trying scare people into thinking you have a valid point. Laughable! What's next?



BTW- I've worked for years at companies that allowed for AM parts and had no DRP shops. Whats the reason they had no problems with those parts? Perhaps they also were part of this big global conspericy against you.

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 4:57 pm   Post subject:   

Get out of your corporate cubicle T. Take off your blinders and read a little besides the insurance journals.



http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-03-03-radioactive-steel_N.htm



I don't know what a conspericy is but I do know what a conspiracy is and I don't think it's that either. I think it's lack of oversight. How does it make you feel knowing a Chinese company is using kids in the production of parts you mandate.



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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:04 pm   Post subject: Just another day in the life of an adjuster  

I am sorry if I am making your life miserable and you are having to take your personal holiday time to respond to my conspiracy theories. Maybe you shoud go over to jobvent.com and tell all those adjusters and claims people that life is a bowl of cherries.



After reading just a few posts on that board, I began to think I better leave posting here for the weekend. I don't want to be the one to cause Lori and T to go postal or have to seek treatment for stress.



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Ohio 05/09/2008: My wife threatened to leave me if I didn't find another job. Progressive was putting a huge strain on my personal life and she couldn't stand me working claims from my laptop at 11:00 pm. I'm happy to report I've accepted a position with a competitor and this could possibly be one of the happiest days of my life (saved my marriage).



pay: for the insane workload and hours expected it is bad. gainshare will be gone soon



respect: very little. tl's are a joke and bm's clueless. corporate has created a CYA mentality on every level here. too many chiefs and not enough indians (and not the Cleveland Indians...what a complete waste of money on rights to that stadium!)



benefits: I gave this a -1. etb seemed generous especially after I've been with the company 5+ years BUT, management frowns upon taking time off because every office is so short staffed!!!



Job security: the company is a sinking ship and rifs expected in every dept here



work life balance: see my first paragraph



career potential: only if you're single and a yes person. way too many managers with little experience/knowledge who are promoted.



location: many will be closing



co workers: leaving the company everyday. they kept hiring/bringing in new suckers monthly and many would be gone after 6 months



work environment: one word.......toxic



advertising/marketing: an absolute JOKE




Toxic, kinda like that radioactive steel.


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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:07 pm   Post subject:   

As I mentioned, laughable... and typical. Here is the _REAL_ truth, quoted right from the article:



"Italians seize 30 tons of radioactive steel"

Last time I checked, we were in America not a Latin country. Let me get my globe out.... yup, still in America.



"The environmental protection police squad said the steel was destined for the industrial production of chimneys and pulleys, and long-term exposure could have been dangerous for workers handling it."

I just got back from my garage and checking my vehicle for a chimney. As I suspected, there was not one.



"The steel had been accidentally mixed during production with cobalt-60, a radioactive isotope of cobalt, police said."

Notice the word "accidentally", as in not normal.... was a one time occurrence (we learn what "accident" means in our secret insurance meetings).



But this is really no surprise. I think everyone reading your threads has not realized that you simple spout 1/2 truths and things that are simply not even correct. The surprising thing... you simply _continue_ to prove this correct. It's really a little surprising.

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:12 pm   Post subject:   

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China's exports have come under intense scrutiny in the past year after potentially deadly chemicals were found in goods including toothpaste, toys and seafood.




Our government tends to try to conceal this stuff, we wouldn't want to harm a trade relations with China now would we.



Wonder if this is why you can not get an msds sheet on the primers and steel of taiwan and chinese sheetmetal.


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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:20 pm   Post subject:   

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I'm happy to report I've accepted a position with a competitor and this could possibly be one of the happiest days of my life (saved my marriage).
This person was so upset at the insurance industry that they quit and went to work for another one.



Being an adjuster is certainly not for everyone... and this poster may find out it's not the company that was not working out, he may not be suited for the job, period. Just like many jobs it take a certain mind set. It's an adversarial job by nature.



There are also insurance companies that don't treat their employees fairly... I've worked for a few of those! But I'm guessing that is true in all lines of work.



But lets be a little more fair... here are some other quotes from posters on that site... and keep in mind that these are _complaints_:



"I used to enjoy coming to work. I was treated with respect. The workload can be heavy, and pay increases were typically pretty good. Over the past 18 months, things sure have changed."



"I do not feel respected by this company anymore. I use to be proud and love it. Not any more."



"Pay is good, not great 0 Respect from upper management, they are only interested in shuffling managers rather than giving someone that works their ass off a shot at management. This is a way to keep costs down."



Again, these are people who are taking the time to complain about Progressive yet they all seem to have something positive to say as well. Usually when an upset employee takes the time to say something negative about their company you don't hear anything positive. I was actually quite surprised. BTW- I simply took the first 3 in a a row. I did not pick these out at random.
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:22 pm   Post subject:   

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Our government tends to try to conceal this stuff, we wouldn't want to harm a trade relations with China now would we.
Yeah... it's just a conspericy. Can't support anything with facts or documentation so we resort to things like this. Loosen that tin foil hat just a little.
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:29 pm   Post subject:   

Whoa, thanks for pointing this quote out



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I used to enjoy coming to work. I was treated with respect. The workload can be heavy, and pay increases were typically pretty good. Over the past 18 months, things sure have changed."



"I do not feel respected by this company anymore. I use to be proud and love it. Not any more."




Thats the same comments we hear in our trade magazines about how those drp relationships start when those collision shop owners and association leaders aren't getting the respect from guys like T.


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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:36 pm   Post subject: Better be looking over your shoulder t  

Some young wascally adjwuster might have their eyes on your job and management might be looking at all the time you spend on line. How do you sneak those posts in during the day. Is that on a company laptop. Becareful not to break any company rules.



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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:48 pm   Post subject: Gee now I am getting depressed reading about your work  

I like this one in particular, it substantiates what I tell a lot of people when communicating with adjusters. I tell them to get it in writing they are just reading from scripts. Make them show you in your policy regarding what they are denying. Just like Paint caps. No not the ones you wear on your head, these are arbitray thresholds insurers like to tell shops and customers that are all that is allowed to repair your car. They get discounts on parts, and their preferred shops have to pay for paint and supplies out of their own profits which are dwindling. Just like the hail damage job in my shop now that the insurer felt only needed to have 450 dollar worth of paint material and bodyshop supplies when in reality it will take over a thousand dollars worth of product to do the job right. And shops are waiting in line to get on these programs. Rolling Eyes



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Job Security: If you never make mistake or accidently misread one of the 200 prewritten scripts you will not be fired.






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35Pay -4

Respect -5

Benefits -4

Job Security -5

Work/Life Balance -5

Career Potential/Growth -5

Location 3

Co-worker Competence -5

Work Environment -5

Virginia Beach 05/23/2008: I have worked a Geico for a little more than four years now and I have to agree with just about everything I have read here. I don't think that there could possibly be a more evil, irresponsible, or morally corrupt company still in existence than this one.

Pay: Your checks don't bounce but you'll never get rich or even live comfortably on the salary.

Respect: You will hear about it in orientation but will never see it.

Benefits: Same as any other company

Job Security: If you never make mistake or accidently misread one of the 200 prewritten scripts you will not be fired.

Work/Life Balance: Work odd hours/days that allow no time for a Life

Career Potential: If you can read scripts and avoid answering any direct questions you will keep your job

Growth Potential: Exists only for the lovers, mistresses, brown nosers, compulsive liars and those creative enough to hide their file errors.

Location: Great. Too bad that Pay/Salary will never allow you to live anywhere near

CoWorker Competence: There are three kinds of co workers 1) Those who can read scripts but know nothing that are quickly promoted 2) Those who know stuff but have trouble reading everything they say from a prewritten script are fired 3) Those who can do neither of the above but sleep with management become supervisors and managers themselves

Work Environment: Take a cockroach infested Nike Sweat shop in Malaysia. Remove the five year olds. Insert computers that were salvaged from the local incinerator and what do you have? An improvement over current GEICO conditions.


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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 2:13 pm   Post subject:   

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Just another insurance HAWKER NOT HOCKER extolling the virtues of parts they do not install and don't get to hear the commentary from the employees because a disgruntled employee could harm the shops dependence on the insurance referals
Just for the record Mike, in that time span (since 1986) four years was spent working in a LARGE body shop...so I do know from wense I speak....I was NOT working for an insurance company then...and you know this...I
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bet you didn't even know that there is a report that there is contamination of radioactive isotopes in chinese steel which is used in the production of sheet metal parts. It's not okay to let kids play with lead based painted toys that are imported from China, but it's okay to expose american workers to the hazards of these parts and the consumers to losses in value from their use.
Here we go with the drama queen stuff again Rolling Eyes Another conspiracy theorirst I knew it!
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Go ahead put on taiwan sheetmetal drag our economy further in the ground and support some country that may someday control us.
Dude seriously you should write those dime store romance novels...
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Shops that say there are no problems with these parts are mandated to use a certain percentage on their grade cards or risk losing their place on the insurance teat.
Once again spouting more crap...The company I work fors DRP contract says not one single word about this...no percentages etc....course I've been doing this for many years, (but as Mike is fond of saying), 'what do I know'?
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Not a very good representative example of honest opinions of these parts
See again told you any shop that is a DRP doesn't know a damn thing right Mike? They don't know how to repair a car near as good as you, their opinion isn't worth the spit it took to muster if it doesn't spout the ins company hater retoric you do...then have no gonads and you refer to them as whores...sure seems to me that the vast majority of these (in your words) testitular lacking prositutes are doing fine to me! Maybe they don't grow real men where you're from, but in my part of the state these guys have no problem telling me if they have an issue with ANYTHING...see we have a good 'working relationship' and are honest and open with each other,. behave like grown ups...you might want to try it some time.... Rolling Eyes
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How does it make you feel knowing a Chinese company is using kids in the production of parts you mandate.
What kind of t.v.'s do you own Mike, what about stereos, dvds, cameras? Poor little babies making them too? I mean it dime store romance novels...you've really missed your calling!
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I am sorry if I am making your life miserable
(again) Don't flatter yourself Mike, you don't have that kind of power....
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After reading just a few posts on that board, I began to think I better leave posting here for the weekend. I don't want to be the one to cause Lori and T to go postal or have to seek treatment for stress.
But again you didn't (you are on line this very second! Rolling Eyes )...wonder why? No insured's to SAVE this weekend Mike? You know that Jobvent is just that a place to vent, and insurance adjusters are not the only ones on that site...and who cares anyway, it's a ''vent'' ''rant'' site, much like you've attempted to make this one... Rolling Eyes
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This person was so upset at the insurance industry that they quit and went to work for another one.
LaughingWink great point tcope!
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They get discounts on parts, and their preferred shops have to pay for paint and supplies out of their own profits which are dwindling.
More bull, again all (most) drp programs do not receive parts discounts....there is no such thing as a paint 'cap', and all can be adjusted based on the job...period...how do you know so much when you are too good to be (asked to be) a drp Mike?

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Just like the hail damage job in my shop now that the insurer felt only needed to have 450 dollar worth of paint material and bodyshop supplies when in reality it will take over a thousand dollars worth of product to do the job right
And most 'grown ups' would call the adjuster, and say, 'hey, think you might've made a mistake here, got time to go over this?' the adjuster would then respond, 'yep, what's up?' then within five minute the balance would be on the way...Careful Mike, I think ''they'' are watching you...better hunker down in your bunker...


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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 2:33 pm   Post subject:   

Well my vintage car show was rained out, so I guess I'll have time to dispell the rants and distortions of Lori today.



As usual Lori speaking about things she has no clue because whe works for one of the better companies she says. She has no idea of how bad some of those other companies operate. I know of only three companies that consistently do not hawk a/m sheetmetal. Statefarm, Chubb, and possibly Amica. State Farm does insist on the use of those a/m radiators and condensers that void the transferable warranty.



I could send you a copy of that St louis estimate where they gave the insurer 778.00 dollars off their ticket for the privelege of having a referal agreement with them.



You are wrong about paint caps, would like me to send you a copy of that as well. I could post them here if you like.



If you worked for one of these other companies for a couple weeks, you too would probably be over at Jobvent complaining.



As far as all those DRP's not complaining, why are their state and national organizations trying to get legistlation passed to prohibit insurers from abusing estimating guides to their favor; attempting to get anti=steering legislation passed because they are losing work to shops that can still afford to pass on ever increasing payola or parts discounts to insurers; cease to attempt steering customers to those preferred shops.



Why are these association leaders complaining and pushing back insurers because of their manipulation of an industry to which they are not part of.

Why do they want legislation to prohibit capping. Insurers in other states that were prohibited from capping, no problem for them, they simply call it a preset threshold. Now the shop has to help the consumer get paid for the materials the insurer is trying to not pay for. Those independent shops know that the insurer is not their customer and are able to help consumers receive what is owed them without negotiating on their behalf. We know the insurer doesn't owe us one thin dime, but they do owe the vehicle owner. If they fail t pay what is owed, it's called bad faith. ooooh thats a scary one that carries penalties.



Whore is one of those potty mouth words that you use. I used the term prostitute themelves. I noticed you were checking my homepage, Are you stalking me again?



You got me wondering about how many web sites I show up on concerning DV...Turns out two out of fifteen more lies from lori. If you can't silence your critics attempt to discredit and destroy them. That must be something you learn in your training. Adjusters always attempt to place wedges between insureds and shops to paint the repair industry as crooks.



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because whe works for one of the better companies she says.
Where did I say that? I have said I work for one of the top four...and they are doing just fine by me...but never said one of the better ones...how would i know? Rolling Eyes oh yeah...i do!

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use of those a/m radiators and condensers that void the transferable warranty
I'll put in in caps for you Mike...LIES LIES AND MORE OUT AND OUT BALD FACED LIES!
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could send you a copy of that St louis estimate where they gave the insurer 778.00 dollars off their ticket for the privelege of having a referal agreement with them.
POST IT! and remember to post the agreement showing they are REQUIRED to....also I didn't say that NO carriers required a parts discount (if that is what you mean), but that MOST do not...but yeah, post it...it won't get blocked...St. Louis huh? That's all you could come up with? When this happens EVER time? Had to go nearly 300 miles away? hmmmmm...
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You are wrong about paint caps, would like me to send you a copy of that as well. I could post them here if you like.
Yep please do you and I both know that it's illegal to ''cap'' anything...and that it may be preloaded into an estimated program, but is easily changed, I do it weekly...all it is set for is so that the writer (adjuster) will be flagged...and as I said, it's handled easily with a phone call...oh wait 'you' don't talk to adjusters right?
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If you worked for one of these other companies for a couple weeks, you too would probably be over at Jobvent complaining.
Well no I'd be spending my time trying to find another job, instead of spinning my wheels on a rant site, that does absolutely no good for anyone! I've told my kids this too from an early age, Life gaurantees you a chance not a fair shake, if you're unhappy it's YOUR repsonsibility to change it...so no, I wouldn't be on jobvent...I'd be using my time productively trying to better my circumstance...
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As far as all those DRP's not complaining, why are their state and national organizations trying to get legistlation passed to prohibit insurers from abusing estimating guides to their favor;
Just what state and national organizations are you talking about Mike? and what 'estimating guides are you talking about?
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attempting to get anti=steering legislation passed because they are losing work to shops that can still afford to pass on ever increasing payola or parts discounts to insurers; cease to attempt steering customers to those preferred shops.
I agree that there is (with some companies) a steering issue...however from what I've seen there have been great strides (for you) in this area...I dont agree with steering never have, I do agree (as you claim) that the owner should be well informed of their choices...Now if they are told that we have certain shops that we back their work with an additional warranty, they have agreed to get your vehicle in and out quickly etc...then the owner makes the call to go to that shop, then fine...personally I would too if I didn't know much about collision repair, I would go to the shop that I can get two warranties from (one from the shop one from the ins. carrier)...I would also assume that these shops have met some type of criteria to be included in this drp program, ie certain equipment requirements, ins limits etc...i really have seen a 'different' type of 'script' used in order to 'assure' that there is no 'appearance' of steering ..this should bring you some comfort...(i'm not being sacastic this time Wink , i really have seen a change in the past two years, especially the past six months)....
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they simply call it a preset threshold.
I think that's what our state prefers...As a side note here I don't know if you are aware of this or not and frankly I'm thrilled about it, (again this time not being sacastic)...but mitchell's recent upgrade, has the capability (not actually on 'my' lap top, but did use it twice, with great success the shops and I both found it much more equitible mostly for the shop of course, but I want to pay what is due, hopefully it will 'trickle down' to us little fellas soon) that you can input the paint code, and it will actually do a

''true'' material calculation based on that code...which is WAY SO MUCH better than the refinish hour system we've used forever...you and I both know that every single color doesn't cost the same...some times your over paid some times under paid...I personally hope this catches on and we can move forward calculating paint and material this way....(before you go there, yes there is markup added)...



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Whore is one of those potty mouth words that you use
Do you really want me to copy and paste your posts from other sites Mike?
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I noticed you were checking my homepage, Are you stalking me again
Nope did that AFTER I'd seen you'd checked mine!!!!! If I wanted to be 'stealth' about it Mike I wouldn't have been logged in!!! geeeeeeze help help the paranoids are after you again! (back to sarcasim)
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you can't silence your critics attempt to discredit and destroy them.
You've done a great job of discrediting yourself here Mike, all we have had to do is point out your lies and half truths...I don 't want to distroy you (or anyone else) just want you to take a look at what you are doing, and to tell the truth the whole truth for a change! you're wrong (or maybe it was the day I don't understand the google stuff)...about the 2 out of 15...
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Adjusters always attempt to place wedges between insureds and shops to paint the repair industry as crooks.
And here we go again, did your teachers not teach you that rarely is there an 'always' about anything? That's another untrue statement I have never tried to wedge anything between vehicle owners and shops, in fact the three of us work very well together...I don't paint the repair 'industry' as crooks, only the shop owners and techs that are....but date line (and others) did a good job of that...If you don't have anything to hide, you don't need to worry, if you find (as you have stated before) that agents are saying ugly things about you that are untrue...sue 'em....if 'lots' of folks are saying the same thing...well might want to look at why... Crying or Very sad



Why did you double post this last one? Don't want you to think I'm editing you, so if you'd please acknowledge they are identical I'll delete one of them.


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