It's copies of letters to the Ohio Atty general.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:09 am   Post subject:   

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Mike Causey is a freelance writer, speaker, consultant, and lobbyist for the automotive industry. He specializes in collision repair, auto glass, insurance, and consumer rights issues. Mike is a Registered Lobbyist for the Independent Auto Body Association (IABA) and the Glass Industry Legislative Coalition. Mike is available for speaking engagements and business and political consulting.
Even given this author's creditials...NOT one copy of an agreement again...his article sites only complaints and quotes from unhappy shop owners..(there's a novel list of quotes)...again ZERO....on your ''proof''..



The next one is EVEN MORE hysterical and off topic...It's copies of letters to the Ohio Atty general...regarding steering! With a copy of a letter from atty general of Conn..regarding the same thing (steering) AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN, you do not provide what you say you are going to provide! Which is copys of drp contracts showing all these concessions!!!



Mike for the last time PAAAAAAAAAAAALEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE!!!



PUT UP or SHUT UP!!


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:38 pm   Post subject:   

I am sure you would love for me to post documents that I have no reason to have in my possession and if any part is published, I could be prosecuted for copyright infringement. Not gonna happen looney lori! Get real! I gave you one drp contract the state farm one is out their in internet land on many forums. If they happen to come up in some court cases as available documents as they most likely will in Conneticut, we can all read them together and sing kumbayah.



You keep saying all your shops work in harmony, just proving that there is much discord in the industry due to interference from outside entities such as non professional repairers who are professional cubicle sitters and insurance bloggers.



The fact is that it is all linked and all a product of insurance steering to preferred shops with agreements all for negotiated discounts and cheaper repairs possibly at the detriment of consumers as evidenced by those articles and letters by the attorney generals questioning those agreements. You are locked so far in your cubicle and box, you can not see the bigger disruptive collusion and deception of these types of agreements which ultimately harm vehicle owners. Why are there no DRP shops here defending these agreements but we have the beneficiaries of them saying they are great.



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:20 am   Post subject:   

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I am sure you would love for me to post documents that I have no reason to have in my possession and if any part is published, I could be prosecuted for copyright infringement
Mike in other threads you claim to have stores of these! I didn't say that YOU DID! How on earth could/would this be copywrite infringement? ConfusedRolling Eyes DUDE seriously! YOU are the one claiming you have all these documents and what they say...then you source ONE, (yes ONE) that has NONE of the things you claim...I didn't make these claims YOU DID!
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You keep saying all your shops work in harmony
We do,
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just proving that there is much discord in the industry due to interference from outside entities such as non professional repairers who are professional cubicle sitters and insurance bloggers.
What? Confused
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with agreements all for negotiated discounts and cheaper repairs possibly at the detriment of consumers as evidenced by those articles and letters by the attorney generals questioning those agreements
AGAIN, you supplied one of these terrible drp contracts...where does it say there is ANY discount? where does it say cheaper repairs? It doesn't !!! Can you not read? or are you just kicking yourself for not reading that one and only contract FIRST prior to sourcing it? You're really making yourself look stupid Mike...
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You are locked so far in your cubicle and box,
Just for the record....I have no cubicle..I work from home, and 100% in the field, actually 100% in body shops!
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Why are there no DRP shops here defending these agreements but we have the beneficiaries of them saying they are great.
I'll have to assume (based on the shops I handle) that THEY are too busy fixing cars and don't have the time to play on the computer !!!



Once again Mike proves, well (again) NOTHING.... Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:19 pm   Post subject:   

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:02 am   Post subject:   

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Shops whine
First known true comment you've made..
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I have nothing to prove to Luney
First and most obviously you've mis-spelled this...second YOU really don't want to continue the name calling mike..I promise you...
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Every copy of every agreement that I have claims copy right protection and expressly prohibits publishing any portion thereof
Really? don't see that on the progressive one...tell you what big boy, I'll ask to look at some others today while in the shops I work with, and see just how (un) true that comment is...
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passing on those huge discounts and concessions to stay on the insurance teat
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Where are the discounts and concessions in the progressive (and only) agreement you sourced? THEY AREN'T THERE! WOW...what a shocker, Mike provides false information once again! anyone keeping count? we must be to nearly 100 on the crapola meter my now... Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:41 pm   Post subject:   

Hey little lady, Its call Proprietary information, the same thing insurance companies claim their documentation is when supreme court justices request that they produce it, before they penalize them 25,000 dollars a day. I am certainly not going to reproduce anything that is not mine and claim it is the property documentation of an insurer.



Wonder why vehicle owners are not allowed to see the contractual arrangements of insurers and their partners, could be they do not want the vehicle owner to see the kick backs they are receiving in exchange for those referrals.



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:34 pm   Post subject:   

101 on the crapola meter...and counting. Sure you want to keep counting?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:49 pm   Post subject:   

What have you contributed besides dripping sarcasm? I know what crapola is, I see it regularly, it's written as insurance guestimates on hail damage lately. Example...Same major insurance company two estimates on hail damage 2 blocks apart on same style vehicle, one estimate 3500 the other over 7000. If the 3500 dollar settlement is cashed out because they have no lein, was he underpaid intentionally or by design? If you conspire to file claims for amounts more than the loss it is insurance fraud. When the insurance company underpays the claim it should be fraud as well in my book or taking advantage of your policy holder or they are hiring incompetents.



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:08 am   Post subject:   

Hey little man, you are the one that said..

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Every copy of every agreement that I have claims copy right protection and expressly prohibits publishing any portion thereof.
Does that progressive one claims copy right protection and expressly prohibits publishing any portion thereof?



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could be they do not want the vehicle owner to see the kick backs they are receiving in exchange for those referrals.
Why don't you point out those kick backs Mike...(maybe that is libel since you've printed it? Confused )....in that progressive agreement you sourced...don't see anything like that in there! What a shocker! Rolling EyesRolling Eyes
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Wonder why vehicle owners are not allowed to see the contractual arrangements of insurers and their partners,
Where does it say they aren't ALLOWED?
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What have you contributed besides dripping sarcasm?
aaaaaaaaa just facts instead of paranoid crapola, but I wouldn't expect you to be able to grasp that concept... Rolling EyesRolling Eyes
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Same major insurance company two estimates on hail damage 2 blocks apart on same style vehicle, one estimate 3500 the other over 7000. If the 3500 dollar settlement is cashed out because they have no lein, was he underpaid intentionally or by design? If you conspire to file claims for amounts more than the loss it is insurance fraud. When the insurance company underpays the claim it should be fraud as well in my book or taking advantage of your policy holder or they are hiring incompetents
I'd have to see both cars Mike, or are you now going to convince people that hail (even two blocks away) is always uniform? If the 3500 dollar estimate did not cover all the damage, then the claim was under paid, or was the 7k overpaid by another incompentent adjuster? I don't know I didn't see the vehicles...If it's under paid he needs to get that car in a shop and the shop needs to contact the adjuster and get a supplement completed..But here you go again, changing the subject...poor mike his mind tends to wander when he's beat...again....


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:50 am   Post subject:   

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I'd have to see both cars Mike, or are you now going to convince people that hail (even two blocks away) is always uniform?




The hail was 2 inchs in diameter for the entire city or at least 10 blocks wide. It hit with such impact, it drove it through windows and buried it in wet yards little lady.



You know I try to leave but you keep tossing grenades and false statements at me and parting diatribes. Next you'll be stalking me again. Why don't you produce one progressive shop that does not give a concession to be on their contract and I'll show you a shop that is no longer on the program. Their labor rate will be under the prevailing rate of those who post their rates. They will intall junkyard parts without question and they will clip entire unisides of cars.



You really are sheltered from reality of the collision industry. Why don't you attend this years Missouri Kansas asa, scrs, aasp, convention and convince all those shops attending that the industry is as rosey as you paint it to be and they are not unhappy with their insurance partners.



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Holy half written sheets batman, why would they be talking about intentionally underwritten estimates?



Why do you suppose these supposed elite of the industry are gathering? It's to rally with their legislative sponsors to get legislation on the calendar again next year to deal with insurance companies that steer customers to their preferred shops. The industry secret is that the preferred shops are not the most qualified shops, it's the shops that will work the cheapest and the fastest for their partners. Another bill they will discuss is making the insurers use the entire estimating databases instead of only the ones they choose to use.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:35 am   Post subject:   

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Another bill they will discuss is making the insurers use the entire estimating databases instead of only the ones they choose to use.


huh? What are you talking about here?
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one progressive shop that does not give a concession to be on their contract and I'll show you a shop that is no longer on the program.
YOU dear boy, are the one that boldly states that there are all of these concessions in the contracts...however you produce or source one, that shows zero concessions...PERIOD end of story...even you have to admit that ! If not point that puppy out in the progressive contract...
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Their labor rate will be under the prevailing rate of those who post their rates.
DRP or not makes no difference and you know this...all carriers pay prevailing area shop rates...this has nothing to do with being a drp or not...(as far as the carrier is concerned)..
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They will intall junkyard parts without question
Been down this road before...you utilize used parts too Mike!
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and they will clip entire unisides of cars.
Again, prove it, where does it say this...see here's where you keep screwing up..you claim all of this is in the contracts, then aren't man enough to admit you let your emotions get the best of you and made false statements in a (very) feeble attempt to turn the whole world as paranoid as you are....Why can't you just once say, hey you're right there is nothing in the contract about concessions, discounts etc...like you have time and time again claimed...then proved YOURSELF to be untrue!
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Holy half written sheets batman, why would they be talking about intentionally underwritten estimates?
I don't know Mike, someone (like your competitors) must be doing this! Better yet, batman, why are they discussing...
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Bet you skip that one! Rolling Eyes



Might surprise you and just might be there Mike.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:04 pm   Post subject:   

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Been down this road before...you utilize used parts too Mike!


Not on suspensions, and not without being paid to completely bring the junk part back to the condition of the vehicle part and not when safety is compromised. Good used parts have a place.



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Used to mean how to work with partners, now means how to make their partners play fair. They found out working with them hurts their bottomline.

They will probably drag up the CIC fraud study again. Try to improvise a plan on how to get compensated for paint and materials, when all your really have to do is bill the customer. The customer collects from the insurer after they have paid their deductible.



Enjoy the convention, I hope you make it.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:10 pm   Post subject:   

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Not on suspensions,
Neither does the company I work for!


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 3:28 am   Post subject: My lacking archive  

Hello, while checking my monthly traffic I found the hits from this site and was curious. Forgive me, but I have not read the entire thread and just scanned the back and forth taking place... but I do have a few comments and observations.



First as to the subject of aftermarket parts, I did participate in the Avery v. State Farm case and the jury stated by the second day of the trial there was no question the parts were "crap"... the remander of the trial was "who knew what, when... and what did the insurance contract promise"





As for premium, the testimony revealed at most, $10.00 per annum per policy additional in the event ALL parts were OEM. Even that is in question when considerations are made for additional labor involved for modifications and additional refinish labor/material.



DRP contracts/agreements: Mike is correct that there are more on my site that may be available in the future but have been de-linked while corporate attorneys are kept at bay. Bad faith and fraud at the corporate level seem to bring out the worst in people. -grin- Besides, there are plaintiffs willing to pay for these things so you'll just have to be patient.



In conclusion: I can't for the life of me figure out why Mike waste time here... he is much too valuable to his industry sharing ... with his industry.



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Example...Same major insurance company two estimates on hail damage 2 blocks apart on same style vehicle, one estimate 3500 the other over 7000. If the 3500 dollar settlement is cashed out because they have no lein, was he underpaid intentionally or by design?
First, how likely is it that both those vehicles were exactly the same? But if I understand your post correctly your stating that two carriers wrote up the same damage and got two different amounts. I'm trying to think of where I've seen that before... Oh, wait... EVERY BODY SHOP ESTIMATE I'VE EVER SEEN! No two are identical and in many cases they are WAY different. So I guess your shop is corrupt as well, huh. Might as well group all body shops together as long as your grouping all insurance companies and all appraisers together!



BTW - was there a supplement on the $3500 appraisal? I'm betting there was.
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