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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:06 am   Post subject:   

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Clever and funny!



You should join and get "paid" to post!



It's a wordsmith's dream come true!





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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:22 am   Post subject:   

so how much guests make?


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so how much guests make?
guest make no money


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:13 pm   Post subject:   

It doesn't seem like we are getting very far in this discussion, which, I guess, is not too unusual.



Why do we need guests?

What point are we trying to make in allowing just anyone to open this web page and start writing?

How do guest posts impove this community?

How can we hold a guest to the TOS of this community?

How many "guests" have returned after we have attempted to respond to a question or concern?

Why have over 2,000 registered members left the community?

How to guest posts add "spark" to the forums?



Anyone have any answers?



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:38 pm   Post subject:   

I thought the whole purpose of the sight was to help consumers with insurance questions and problems.



Tcope said it better than I, it is a hassle for some to take 10 minutes to register to just ask a quick question.



I have seen large numbers of consumers register and post regularly during an entire claim process then just stop posting many times. I also have an impression that many agents register and attempt to advertise in discussion forums and bail when they learn that they can't. This could easily account for the numbers, couldn't it?



I think it is important for me to mention one reason that I didn't register here for so long: I live in the Pacific NW, and in following some "discussions" or "debates" here I found that it takes hours for posts to appear on my computers after they are made. Sometimes I would post a reply only to discover that 3hrs earlier someone else had already addressed what I had posted. At one point I discovered that posts appear on my phone (iphone) carrier (tmobile) hours before they show up on my computers. Thanks for listening to my ramblings. Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:29 pm   Post subject:   

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Why do we need guests?

What point are we trying to make in allowing just anyone to open this web page and start writing?

How do guest posts impove this community?

How can we hold a guest to the TOS of this community?

How many "guests" have returned after we have attempted to respond to a question or concern?

Why have over 2,000 registered members left the community?

How to guest posts add "spark" to the forums?




From what I see most of the posts come from new people who have not registered ("guests"). I see the difference as registered members visiting the forum on a regular bases for an extended period of time. But there are those that simply want to post one reply or one question.



I don't see a problem allowing people to post without registering. Can you think of any? While there have been a few issues over the years, I think I can probably count those on one hand. Guests can be held accountable to the TOS as their posts can be edited and/or deleted. After all, this about the only real control that is on a registered member anyway.



_Many_ Guests have returned and made follow up posts. I also suspect that a large majority read the replies, obtain useful information, but choose not to post again. At least this is the way it works in my mind. Laughing



2,000 registered members have "left"? Where did you get this information? how would anyone know who has "left"? I'm not sure how that is relevant to this thread?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:59 pm   Post subject:   

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2,000 registered members have "left"? Where did you get this information?




Actually, I was very low in my "guesstimation". If you will click on the "Insurance Forums" tab at the top of this page, then scroll all the way down to "Who's Online", you will find:



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Our users have posted a total of 37012 articles

We have 4561 registered users




There are probably less than 20 members who post regularly, that means that 4,541 don't. Why?



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I'm not sure how that is relevant to this thread?




Since we are taling about "guests" registering as "members", I think it is quite relevant.



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I think it is important for me to mention one reason that I didn't register here for so long: I live in the Pacific NW, and in following some "discussions" or "debates" here I found that it takes hours for posts to appear on my computers after they are made.




Dave, are you referring to these forums or some others?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:12 pm   Post subject:   

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There are probably less than 20 members who post regularly, that means that 4,541 don't. Why?
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Since we are taling about "guests" registering as "members", I think it is quite relevant.
I'm sure many have moved on. They joined for one reason or another and stopped participating. No shock there. I'm sure there are many registered members who read the forum but choose not to post.



But this also goes toward _not_ requiring people to register. It would seem from your own stats that a bulk of the posts are made by "guests". So why require them to become registered just to post of they are not going to stay anyway (per the stats you mention)?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:12 pm   Post subject:   

Maze, I am referring to these forums. Funny thing though, after I read your post on my phone and it wasn't on my pc, I logged in and your post appeared. Shocked

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:16 pm   Post subject:   

Dave, it's almost like when you aren't logged in, it's not real time.

I don't understand that, but there is more of a delay than when you are logged in.



Your posts should appear instantly when you are logged in.



It's kind of like seeing two different forums.



I really didn't start this thread to argue any statistics.

Lori asked me to start it.



But so far, no one has givem any reasonable explanation as to why someone shouldn't be logged in to post.



I realize the "guest" situation will probably not change, it has been this way since the beginning, I guess. If we do what we've always done, we'll get what we've always gotten.



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:36 pm   Post subject:   

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But so far, no one has givem any reasonable explanation as to why someone shouldn't be logged in to post.
I guess that depends on your definition of "reasonable" in this case. I thought my thought was "reasonable". But I guess the question could also be answered by asking, why should it be a requirement that someone become a member to post?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:52 pm   Post subject:   

I agree with Todd's reasoning why some (alot) of people do not register...They come here for one problem, and one problem only..they get their answer, and they leave. They'll come back if they have another one...They don't want to talk about insurance at all to be honest...they just have a problem they need help with...They do not want to be part of the community...they just want to be a guest and get their answer...and move along..back to their my space or somewhere they enjoy hanging out..



I guess I don't see the problem with it...Frankly if it weren't for all the guests posting we wouldn't have a lot to do would we? Laughing Most 'laymen' are not going to want to be regular contributors to this site. Now, if your question or issue was why don't regular posters register? That I DO get...or why don't insurance professionals that post here register, i get that as well...

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Lori asked me to start it.
Yes I did because we aren't supposed to talk about things like this in non-pub threads, for one thing, also you have mentioned this topic many times so clearly it sticks in your craw some Wink so I was hoping we could find out the problem you have with it and see if there is something that can be done, that betters the community...(btw sending pm to the lakemen to plz address this thread as well)....



Maze when you say this...
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I guess. If we do what we've always done, we'll get what we've always gotten.
What does that mean? Is that a negative or positive comment? I'm really not sure...and if negative, what (in your opinion) would requiring ALL posters to register do to improve things? Or I guess another way to ask is how does not requireing them to register impact this site in a negative way?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:19 am   Post subject:   

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There are probably less than 20 members who post regularly, that means that 4,541 don't. Why?


Because all things financial is generally boring to most people and most people's eyes just glaze over on the subject of insurance.



If it's not sex, politics, celebrity scandal or religion people aren't interested or should I say the subject matter doesn't hold their attention.



Let's face it many of these threads are boring.



Also, except occasionally, it's the same question or issue asked over and over and over again with just a slightly different twist. Sometimes I read these and just don't bother to reply because I've already replied to the same or similar issue many times and I'm looking for a thread that interest me.



Also the 4,561 registered users is not reality. The vast majority are nothing but dummy user names made up when the board was first created.



Think about this for one moment if you wanted to start your own message board today how many "Registered Users" would you have?



When message boards are originally created the owners of the board have to created massive amounts of user names, dummy threads and replies to those threads to give the illusion that the board is very active when in fact it's not, it's brand new and just went online.



I found this board because someone from another financial board linked back to this one so I also started posting here since it was insurance specific.



The other financial board is slower than this one and I rarely post there anymore because I find this one more interesting and I'm more interested in dispelling insurance myths and misconceptions than I am posting about general finance such a debt, credit cards and mortgages.



It's a full time job to "work" a message board and make it successful if you don't advertize the thing on Oprah or Dr. Phil.



If it wasn't for Lori most threads would never be replied to on this board or it would take many days for a new poster to get a reply by which time they've moved on or had their question answered somewhere else.



My 5 cents worth!


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:05 am   Post subject:   

I just noticed that the board contradicts itself... down where Maze was referring, it says 21 users online... but up on the top right where it says AmPm MARATHON it says 40 users online. Which ever one of those numbers is correct, it just reflects how many users are online at any given time. This doesn't mean that there aren't hundreds in a week, or thousands in a month or... you get the idea. Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:40 am   Post subject:   

Hi All,



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btw sending pm to the lakemen to plz address this thread as well




Thank you Lori!



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The vast majority are nothing but dummy user names made up when the board was first created.




When I'd look back, I remember those days when we had started with our forums. A small team of 4 people with 4 forum-ids participating across other external forums and trying to prove us different over here - that was the beginning of our struggle!



It took other communities lesser time to grow with their dummy ids - the first thing that we avoided. It took us 7 months to gain our first visitor and another 9 months to earn our first 2 members. From a few less-content pages we grew through our different categories and sub-sections over here.





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Also the 4,561 registered users is not reality.




I'm certainly not here to question anyone's experiences or beliefs in life. I'd just like to ask our members how they would define our potential when we had only 10 members!



My small experience with financial communities have shown me how the initial 10 members can invite another 20 and then gradually fade away. Do you guys think it helped us in anyways?



I do believe it did. It certainly added something to make our forums known to a larger mass of people. So when I count upon those 4 people (including Evan and Fatman) who'd constantly participated to get to a total user base of 1000, I do have a reason to believe that these 20 people today are certainly doing well with a figure of 4561 as per our records - believe it or not!



Forums are all about new people coming in, some of them staying back while others may come at times. So, all we'd need to do is to let our user-base grow naturally which in turn would increase the number of our core members automatically. Nothing could be simpler for us at this point of time.



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It's a full time job to "work" a message board and make it successful if you don't advertize the thing on Oprah or Dr. Phil.




Thanks. Let's not follow others in a bid to grow faster, rather we should focus on consolidating our knowledge-base. It is the real asset of our community and something that makes us different and confident!



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Since, we allowed them to carry on with us, they have joined us as 'members' once they got convinced of how valuable they are for the entire community!




Its certainly one point that we've considered since year '06 if you'd remember Fatty!





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Now, if your question or issue was why don't regular posters register? That I DO get...or why don't insurance professionals that post here register, i get that as well...




Reasons could be many e.g.-



* Online hazards associated with identity thefts get them a negative feeling and it takes time for them to understand that the registration is more about security.

* Lack of knowledge about how these web-identities may help them create their own web-presence.

* Lack of time

* Violation of professional terms associated with one's employment.



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But so far, no one has givem any reasonable explanation as to why someone shouldn't be logged in to post.




See, our objective to come here is to share with others and that's quite natural for any private platform. Filters could only be put to keep a problem at bay. For that you'd need to identify the problem first and then show it to us.



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