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 Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 9:18 am Post subject: Abortion and Men? |
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Abortion and Men?
Yes, I know this is a dangerous topic but the purpose of this thread is to stop half the debate....MEN.
Men need to STFU on the subject of abortion.
They are intellectually DISHONEST.
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You can bet your bottom dollar that if men got pregnant abortion would be legal through age 21. That's right. We'd DEMAND the right to take out the snot nosed smart assterisk anytime prior to his/her 21 birthday!
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I am fed up listening to men and there opinions regarding abortion.
It's not our issue and it's not our problem.
Personally, I'm Pro Choice, but I believe INTELLECTUALLY the CHOICE should be to have the baby.
That being said, I'm a 52 year old man and if I woke up PREGNANT tomorrow morning I wouldn't pay the price that it takes to care for a child. If I'm being intellectually honest with myself then I'd have to admit that I'd more likely than not make the "other" choice if actually confronted with the circumstance.
This is a female issue between their God and themselves.
So PLEASE,... men,... PLEASE stop the intellectual dishonesty.
I'm NOT looking to start a debate on the issue of abortion. I'm simply stating men need to shut up since they will never be faced with the situation.
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Gary, can't help but disagreeing just a little with ya here...I too on an 'brain' level am pro-choice. My hope and prayer is that all women would make the right choice...I know that sounds stupid. What I mean is I think it should be our choice..I personally could never had done it...however trying not to be hypecritical I wasn't pregnant at 16 either (i was 18  AND married)...I have had the misfortune however, of holding the hands of many family and friends that had abortions...and can tell you that not ONE isn't haunted later in life...ok that being said. I think the father in most cases should have 'some' imput. If the father wants that child and is willing to raise that child on his own...that no one including the woman he impregnanted should be entitled to kill his child without his consent.....being honest, most guys could give a crap less...majority of abortions are preformed on young teen agers or very early twentys...the 'daddy's'' even pay for it a lot of the time. with a big, 'whew wee...dodged that bullet'. But on the off chance that there is a responsible young man out there that does not want his child distroyed. He has (IMO) a right to fight it.
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I too am also pro choice but I can see some instances like rape that would really make it hard for the person to make a decision. I have a couple family members whom suffer from infertility and find it kind of a shame that there are people like them whom would take and raise these babies.
BUT I have also seen little hurt children come and go from each of my relatives foster homes. Were these unwanted babies and is this the life they have ahead of them if the mother does not abort? I still believe every life is worth saving..I just question the human race alot in my mind. Shortly I will have to watch a two year old be returned to the family that molested her...Sometimes I wonder which way the little lost soul would have been better off. I know she has her whole life ahead of her but what kind will that be? There is so many sides to this issue. |
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| Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 11:40 am Post subject: abortion |
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| Every circumstance is different. I think the decision should be between the couple. I don't believe in Abortion, myself. But, I know a few women who have had one. Remember, guys, it takes TWO ,....so BOTH people should have an opionin in the decision. |
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I agree with all the comments above from our lady Internet friends and that's my point.
Let me name some men I'd like to smash in the mouth with a baseball bat when they start talking about abortion:
Sean Hannity
Rush Limbaugh
Glenn Beck
They do more harm than good to change hearts and minds and how easy it is for them since they will NEVER be faced with the circumstance.
I'll bet my last dollar if all three woke up tomorrow morning pregnant NONE of them would carry the baby to term.
AND now for my religous comment... to be spirtually consistant if you actually truely believed in God you'd believe life begins at conception and once created the life can't spiritually be destroyed, so abortion would be the fast track to Heaven without all the trials and tribulations that come with human existance.
This debate needs men to butt out and allow women to handle this issue.
Men are a bunch of intellectually dishonest client #9s on this issue.
There, I said it and I feel better!
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Gary, no way is this just a woman's issue. The last time that I checked, when my wife was pregnant, she was carrying my baby.
For those who believe that abortion is murder, they have a responsibility to be vocal and do all that they can to stop it.
Where I think that we agree is that most people who are on the pro-life side of the conversation are probably pretty hypocritical. In other words, it is very easy to be pro-life for somebody else, but it's very different if it is your 12 year old daughter carrying your brother's baby who is going to have down syndrome.
(If it matters, I would describe myself as anti-abortion, but am pro-choice.) |
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| Quote: | | Where I think that we agree is that most people who are on the pro-life side of the conversation are probably pretty hypocritical. |
Yes, I totally agree with that statement.
AND men are the biggest hypocrits on this subject because we will NEVER be faced with the actual life circumstance.
That's my point.
The only man I know who was jumping up and down with joy when he found out he got a woman pregnant with an unplanned pregnancy was Larry Birkhead when he knocked up Anna Nicole Smith!
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| Quote: | Sean Hannity
Rush Limbaugh
Glenn Beck |
since 'rush' is the only one i know...and do NOT like...ok I'll agree let's smack 'em all...I could smack rush on principal alone!  (easy, there republicans... )
| Quote: | | AND now for my religous comment... to be spirtually consistant if you actually truely believed in God you'd believe life begins at conception and once created the life can't spiritually be destroyed, so abortion would be the fast track to Heaven without all the trials and tribulations that come with human existance. |
yeah, for the baby!
This debate is like any other...you 'think' you know what your belief structure is until you yourself face it...(as ins. expert displayed with his point on example of the 12yr old)....men of course don't face pregnancy, but I in no way think this is a woman only issue...I don't think anyone has the right to kill the child of another (ie woman wants to abort without daddy's ok, sure can't happen the other way around can it?)....and I do think that men can be hypocritical on this point, the same as they are about menopause, menstruation, anything they CANNOT nor WILL not EVER face....(women are no better)....
However, I guess that's good, you know the old saying, if men could give birth the entire human race would've died out after the first birth...
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I think this thread demonstrates the actual feelings of most Americans on the subject of abortion. NOBODY is really for the termination of an innocent life, INTELLECTUALLY.
But a woman's own body, her own person, and her being the one who WILL mostly be responsible for the child is the only one who can ultimately make this decision.
Putting my religous hat back on because I try to think about these things all the way through to the most logical conclusion.
So the 15 year old pregnant girl asks, "What would Jesus do?"
Jesus says, "Have the baby."
But she just can't, she just can't handle the stress, the fear, the burden on her parents, afraid it's going to hurt, worried about her young body being distorted, how she'll pay for the baby's care, thinks she'll never get married, go to college,...so her whole world has collapsed.
So she has the abortion.
Now, what would Jesus say?
Jesus would say, "I'm disappointed you didn't have faith in my advice, but I forgive you and don't do that again."
She's relieved, and wants to ask one more question but she's afraid.
She wants to ask, "What happened to my baby?"
Jesus smiles and says, "Your baby is safe and sound with me."
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| Quote: | Now, what would Jesus say?
Jesus would say, "I'm disappointed you didn't have faith in my advice, but I forgive you and don't do that again."
She's relieved, and wants to ask one more question but she's afraid.
She wants to ask, "What happened to my baby?"
Jesus smiles and says, "Your baby is safe and sound with me." |
Perfect Gary, only thing I'd add is that she would've needed to 'ask' for that forgiveness...
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 2:20 am Post subject: my point of view.. |
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Abortion is .one of the most hotly debated social and moral issues.The problem in debate is that both sides are extremely dogmatic and defensive in presenting arguments..As my own disposition is concern, as a jehovahs witnesses i stil value the essential of LIFE..
Whether we like it or not abortion lis killing in the sense that it ends the life of a fetus.. i know the decision to have an abortion is a difficult one and its up to us to put up with the consequences of such private choices.And i would rather see a hundred children abused than to see one child killed.
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| Life is certainly a precious gift. But 'population' has become a problem for many underdeveloped or developing nations. We'd need to remember that if we're the cause of a 'life' we've to be responsible towards it. When we kill a child, it hurts our society. If we don't want a child we have to take precautions. There's no other way! |
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I actually wrote a piece on the subject: "Should The Father Have Some Say On Abortion?"
"This is a tougher question than it appears on the surface.
The obvious answer would be "Yes", the father had an equal share in producing the baby and should have an equal share in the decision to kill it. Just debating the whole issue kind of makes me sick.
But, I think this question goes much deeper. The decision on whether or not to consult with the father would seem to depend on the status of the relationship between the mother and the father. If the father had just skipped town, he might say "Sure, go ahead and kill it.", with no real concern for what happened. This could possibly persuade the mother to do something totally against her will.
How about the father who is an alcoholic and his vision of reality is never clear. Do we think that he would be in any position to give the mother any kind of worthwhile direction or advice?
On the other hand, if the father is totally against killing the baby and the mother proceeds with an abortion, she has no one to blame but herself. If the husband agreed, then he is fair game for the rest of their married or partner lives. She always has the right to say - "I only did it because you wanted me to". Could this situlation totally destroy a marriage?
This whole dilemma could be prevented if we could only realize that children are no more our "property" than are our wives or our husbands. Two people agreeing on killing a baby does not make it the right thing to do. Fathers need to stand up for the right thing, even when their wives or significant others won't.
Most fathers probably have no real idea of what actually goes on during the procedure and probably should be required to watch an abortion prior to signing any type of consent or agreeing to it.
I have known several single parent Dads who have done an excellent job in rearing their children and just wouldn't have things any other way.
Fathers are expected to provide the proper care for their children and are looked down upon when they don't. When there is a problem with children, it is usually Dad who must get involved in the situation and do his best to settle it.
If there is serious consideration of killing a baby, then why shouldn't Dad have his say? The only question here is - Who will make the determination as to whether or not the father is even qualified to give an opinion?"
Abortions hurt men, as well as, women and when I held my still-born grandson in my arms it made me see abortions in a different light.
Gary, I totally disagree, men should speak more about abortion, not less.
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I always considered myself a liberal on this issue.....that was until I held my couple mintue old son for the first time. At that point, I leaned closer to these men ( Sean Hannity Rush Limbaugh Glenn Beck) then the libs.
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Abortion is a big one.
Personally I think the decision should ultimately rest with the woman, but it's not reasonable to say that men should just STFU.
The decision as to whether or not to have a child affects both parents, but perhaps not equally. |
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