Can we think of National Health insurance as a 'socialized medicine'?
Would it lead to a lot of rationing?
Tx, CarlosT
Total Comments: 19
Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:28 am Post Subject:
In my opinion Socialized medicine is a completely different concept. Under such a system both the doctors and the healthcare units are controlled by the govt. It is quite similar to that of the veteran administrations in terms of payments. The armed services would also run in a similar way. This is quite similar to the medicare system. The govt. is financially responsible for the care that is offered to the people. The physicians would practice privately and would be paid out of the govt funds as in fee-for-service.
Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:50 am Post Subject: insurance
You're right...the Military is payed under another kind of 'pay system'..if you will. Tri-Care, which is Health and Dental care Insurance, for the Military, is kind of like Medicare..in a way.
Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:52 am Post Subject: insurance
Iwant to add, too, that 'our' ( the Military) is covered about 80% and 'we' pay 20%..directly to the dentist we are using..not the Insurance company, itself.
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 01:43 am Post Subject: national health plan
I sell health insurance for a living, but am entirely for some sort of national health plan. Why? Simple.
My wife was diagnosed with stage 3+ breast cancer several years ago. As a family, it turned our world upside down, but we were fortunate enough to have health insurance. What we discovered, however, was that there were dozens of families in our town that had cancer in their home, and had no health insurance. Many of them suffered enormously.
OK, I'm open to the criticism, but I figure that if we can spend billions to make bombs and drop them, if we can spend 700 billion to bail out Wall Street (used to work there myself), then we can get some health care in place for people that need it and have no recourse.
Will it be perfect? I'm sure it won't, but I don't ever want to see another young mother dying from cancer, or anything, and unable to get decent care.
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:02 pm Post Subject: what does the government do right?
I am not heartless, but if you people think that the government could be trusted with your families healthcare, your smokin' something. Go down to the D.M.V. and tell me you want these same people making the decision on your healthcare. And don't tell me it wouldn't be like that. As far as the military goes it works because for the most part the gov. stays out of it, they just give them the money. Furthermore the military is going to take better care of it's own beacause it needs them. I know their are millions of people without coverage and my heart goes out to them, I know it's hard to watch them suffer. The fact is though that a large percentage of those people don't have coverage because they don't work hard enough to find it. They are content to wait for someone to give it to them. I know, I'm a jerk, but I've seen plenty of this very thing. I mean if you have cell phone a big screen tv and for that matter a computer and internet access in your home to read this, then you can **** well get off your butt and make sure you familiy has health coverage.
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:28 pm Post Subject:
I think that is crazy. Why in the world would you believe the people running the DMV would run the health program? DMV is a state agency at that. The library system is run pretty well and that is a good example of socialism at work in this country. That is a much better example then the DMV even though it is local. And some states DMV are run pretty well.
I am a person whose job offers medical benefits and never took a penny out of pay check, so I am a person with one of the best health benefits offered. Even with my great benefits I cannot be so short sighted to think all it takes is a good search for health insurance and you will find it. There are states in this country that if you are sick you cannot even get health insurance. And in most places people pay 800 bucks plus to inure one person no less a family. You have a lot of nerve comparing health insurance to getting a computer. Do you pay every 800.00 single month for a computer and not use it? Well with health insurance there is a good chance you will be paying every month for something you might use 2 or 3 times a year if that. What about the people who do not have computers or big screen TV's who cannot find insurance and they work for a company that does not offer it? Where should they look to find good affordable insurance? Oz? Go ahead and enlighten us so we can pass it on to them. because there are plenty Americans who fit that profile. See I find people who are against overhauling this antiquated health system either have a stake in it or are so isolated from reality they have no clue about who this is really affecting and the toll it has taken on this country.
Countries where health insurance is offered to all at low prices the people live longer and the mortality rate is lower and work production is better.
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:20 am Post Subject: tired of paying for everyone
O.K., the dmv was an example. Tell me something other than books that the government has run successfully, social security? welfare? katrina, and don't give me the "it was all bush's fault crap". I know plenty of people who get hundreds in food stamps evry month and their only problem is that they are lazy and dependant on the gov. I know their are people who really need help, i have no problem helping them, but when a gov. creates a program they don't do enough to insure that only the people who need it get the benefits. If you can't afford a baby, keep your legs closed, if tyou are otherwise hea;lthy and need insurance, get a second, third, fourth job, you do not have a right to be healthy, only to be alive. If you want to pay for other people's healthcare then go out find someone and give them your money, and leave me out of it.
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 03:31 am Post Subject:
Well people on Welfare get health benefits we are not talking about them. But for the record I agree with the concept of using birth control and not having children if you can't take care of them. But what is the solution for that. I live in Houston and I have never seen so many teens getting pregnent and wanting to get pregnant. The problem does not stem from anything the government is doing but a lot to do with these young girls looking for love and not having respect for themselves. That is a whole other subject. The problem is that the kids need to have health care and kids are the majority people who are on welfare. So knowing this is true we cannot say that everyone should not have access to health care because there are too many kids on welfare. Making excuses about how bad this government so how can we have a national health care system is crazy. That lets them off the hook. So we just should not have it or even try to get it. Do you think the French, Canadian and Great Britain are sterling examples of good gov't? Not. So if they can have national health care why can't we?
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 04:13 am Post Subject: Great examples
I suggest you do a little research on those countries systems, find out how long they wait for procedures we get almost instantly, read about the guy who was refused treatment for cancer because he couldn't quit smoking. A canadian official admited that every few years they have to pump more money into their system when it starts to go bad. As for kids, we already have the schip which now covers kids who's parents make up to 50,000. Look I would love for everyone to have the best med care available, but people who complain about the lack of it also don't seem to do anything about it. Start a charity and raise money to pay for poor peoples ins premiums, or healthcare. I will gladly donate the first $100, just stop thinking that gov. can or even wants to solve the problem. Remember the doctor in NY I think, who came up with a flat rate type of plan for people without ins. the gov. said he couldn't do that. The simple reason for that is it didn't give them any power, glory, or votes.
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 04:15 am Post Subject: Oh, by the way
Kids aren't on welfare, their parents are. Kids are just stuck in the situation they are born into, and if we teach them that it's fine and it's not mommy and daddy's fault they will be in the same situation when they grow up.
Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:28 am Post Subject:
In my opinion Socialized medicine is a completely different concept. Under such a system both the doctors and the healthcare units are controlled by the govt. It is quite similar to that of the veteran administrations in terms of payments. The armed services would also run in a similar way. This is quite similar to the medicare system. The govt. is financially responsible for the care that is offered to the people. The physicians would practice privately and would be paid out of the govt funds as in fee-for-service.
Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:50 am Post Subject: insurance
You're right...the Military is payed under another kind of 'pay system'..if you will. Tri-Care, which is Health and Dental care Insurance, for the Military, is kind of like Medicare..in a way.
Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:52 am Post Subject: insurance
Iwant to add, too, that 'our' ( the Military) is covered about 80% and 'we' pay 20%..directly to the dentist we are using..not the Insurance company, itself.
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 01:43 am Post Subject: national health plan
I sell health insurance for a living, but am entirely for some sort of national health plan. Why? Simple.
My wife was diagnosed with stage 3+ breast cancer several years ago. As a family, it turned our world upside down, but we were fortunate enough to have health insurance. What we discovered, however, was that there were dozens of families in our town that had cancer in their home, and had no health insurance. Many of them suffered enormously.
OK, I'm open to the criticism, but I figure that if we can spend billions to make bombs and drop them, if we can spend 700 billion to bail out Wall Street (used to work there myself), then we can get some health care in place for people that need it and have no recourse.
Will it be perfect? I'm sure it won't, but I don't ever want to see another young mother dying from cancer, or anything, and unable to get decent care.
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:02 pm Post Subject: what does the government do right?
I am not heartless, but if you people think that the government could be trusted with your families healthcare, your smokin' something. Go down to the D.M.V. and tell me you want these same people making the decision on your healthcare. And don't tell me it wouldn't be like that. As far as the military goes it works because for the most part the gov. stays out of it, they just give them the money. Furthermore the military is going to take better care of it's own beacause it needs them. I know their are millions of people without coverage and my heart goes out to them, I know it's hard to watch them suffer. The fact is though that a large percentage of those people don't have coverage because they don't work hard enough to find it. They are content to wait for someone to give it to them. I know, I'm a jerk, but I've seen plenty of this very thing. I mean if you have cell phone a big screen tv and for that matter a computer and internet access in your home to read this, then you can **** well get off your butt and make sure you familiy has health coverage.
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:28 pm Post Subject:
I think that is crazy. Why in the world would you believe the people running the DMV would run the health program? DMV is a state agency at that. The library system is run pretty well and that is a good example of socialism at work in this country. That is a much better example then the DMV even though it is local. And some states DMV are run pretty well.
I am a person whose job offers medical benefits and never took a penny out of pay check, so I am a person with one of the best health benefits offered. Even with my great benefits I cannot be so short sighted to think all it takes is a good search for health insurance and you will find it. There are states in this country that if you are sick you cannot even get health insurance. And in most places people pay 800 bucks plus to inure one person no less a family. You have a lot of nerve comparing health insurance to getting a computer. Do you pay every 800.00 single month for a computer and not use it? Well with health insurance there is a good chance you will be paying every month for something you might use 2 or 3 times a year if that. What about the people who do not have computers or big screen TV's who cannot find insurance and they work for a company that does not offer it? Where should they look to find good affordable insurance? Oz? Go ahead and enlighten us so we can pass it on to them. because there are plenty Americans who fit that profile. See I find people who are against overhauling this antiquated health system either have a stake in it or are so isolated from reality they have no clue about who this is really affecting and the toll it has taken on this country.
Countries where health insurance is offered to all at low prices the people live longer and the mortality rate is lower and work production is better.
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:20 am Post Subject: tired of paying for everyone
O.K., the dmv was an example. Tell me something other than books that the government has run successfully, social security? welfare? katrina, and don't give me the "it was all bush's fault crap". I know plenty of people who get hundreds in food stamps evry month and their only problem is that they are lazy and dependant on the gov. I know their are people who really need help, i have no problem helping them, but when a gov. creates a program they don't do enough to insure that only the people who need it get the benefits. If you can't afford a baby, keep your legs closed, if tyou are otherwise hea;lthy and need insurance, get a second, third, fourth job, you do not have a right to be healthy, only to be alive. If you want to pay for other people's healthcare then go out find someone and give them your money, and leave me out of it.
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 03:31 am Post Subject:
Well people on Welfare get health benefits we are not talking about them. But for the record I agree with the concept of using birth control and not having children if you can't take care of them. But what is the solution for that. I live in Houston and I have never seen so many teens getting pregnent and wanting to get pregnant. The problem does not stem from anything the government is doing but a lot to do with these young girls looking for love and not having respect for themselves. That is a whole other subject. The problem is that the kids need to have health care and kids are the majority people who are on welfare. So knowing this is true we cannot say that everyone should not have access to health care because there are too many kids on welfare. Making excuses about how bad this government so how can we have a national health care system is crazy. That lets them off the hook. So we just should not have it or even try to get it. Do you think the French, Canadian and Great Britain are sterling examples of good gov't? Not. So if they can have national health care why can't we?
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 04:13 am Post Subject: Great examples
I suggest you do a little research on those countries systems, find out how long they wait for procedures we get almost instantly, read about the guy who was refused treatment for cancer because he couldn't quit smoking. A canadian official admited that every few years they have to pump more money into their system when it starts to go bad. As for kids, we already have the schip which now covers kids who's parents make up to 50,000. Look I would love for everyone to have the best med care available, but people who complain about the lack of it also don't seem to do anything about it. Start a charity and raise money to pay for poor peoples ins premiums, or healthcare. I will gladly donate the first $100, just stop thinking that gov. can or even wants to solve the problem. Remember the doctor in NY I think, who came up with a flat rate type of plan for people without ins. the gov. said he couldn't do that. The simple reason for that is it didn't give them any power, glory, or votes.
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 04:15 am Post Subject: Oh, by the way
Kids aren't on welfare, their parents are. Kids are just stuck in the situation they are born into, and if we teach them that it's fine and it's not mommy and daddy's fault they will be in the same situation when they grow up.
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