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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:53 pm   Post subject: Parents and Life Insurance  

For those of us who still have living parents, is it a good idea to make sure that they have sufficient life insurance to at least help with the final expenses we will one day face? Is that smart or is it greedy?



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:53 pm   Post subject:   

It is smart. However, it is not smart to run out and buy them insurance if they don't have enough. And if they have a fair amount of assets...more than likely you are the beneficiary, and those funds can be used (after the fact) for burial expenses.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:31 am   Post subject:   

I don't think it is unreasonable to have insurance in place for parents, to take it a step further, I don't think it is unreasonable to have a plot purchased, a casket picked out and a headstone purchased. You can plan and purchase all of these items before you pass and it makes life a lot easier on the loved ones left behind. It is not a bad idea to discuss the final wishes with an elderly parent as long as you explain to them why you are doing what you are doing. Preparing for the inevitable, we all end up there sooner or later.



I think if the parent were involved in the planning, you will find out that some may feel comforted that their loved ones did not have to deal with this at a very sad time. The simple details, like the arrangements listed above could be done.



The insurance is a great idea, again, keeping the parent involved in the process will be much easier on them. You may also want to make sure that your parents have a final will and testament in place and stored in a place where it is easy to find, along with other items, such as insurance policies and etc.



A lot of people do this planning ahead, it is up to you to decide to what extent that you want to take it and what your family is comfortable with.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:48 am   Post subject:   

You bring out some good points goodnatured about discussing this with your parents, If they are mentally stable enough to handle it, you would have to be really careful on how you approach them on this so that you did not make them feel awkward or that they were dying soon.



I think it is a smart idea to take out the insurance, but please do discuss it with them first like the posters here have said, approach it respectfully.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:50 am   Post subject:   

Hello Maze,

"Smart" might be to purchase a $15 or $20,000 policy on each of them. This will undoubtedly relieve all or some of the burden on those left behind. Most parents are sensible (in fact, the older I get, the more sensible my parents become) and would understand why [we] want to make sure they have life insurance.

"Greedy" is to take out a $3-5 million policy on them, have the premium financed by one of the premium loan agencies in southern CA and split the death benefit with the agency/brokers when they're gone. That seems to be the rave these days for the more affluent.



I've studied this system rather extensively because I wantto be reday when a case pops up. So far, I can't find any holes in the program though.



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:48 am   Post subject:   

Actually, the answer to this question...and all insurance questions...is to get the right training. CSS (Career Success School) will do the trick. For details...just ask.



In fact, mark could fill you in...right?



Just rippin on ya Mark. I won't go into details, but I understand your story.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:23 am   Post subject:   

Now there's a trip down Memory Lane. I graduated from CSS in December 1990. Working for that company didn't turn out quite like I thought it would. I'll never complain though; their corporate arrogance has been like "the gift that keeps on giving."



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:07 pm   Post subject:   

I would think that 3-5 million is a little excessive, LOL. I think it should just be enough to cover the final expenses and the bills left behind. Do you think a lot of people take out excess insurance on each other?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:05 pm   Post subject:   

Good morning Goodnatured,

Actually, in an increasing number of demographics, $3-5 mil is not all that uncommon. When "bills left behind" include things like a $1 mil house on a golf course, vacation homes in Hawaii and Lake Tahoe, children in their 1st and 3rd year of medical school, a successful personal business with stock options, etc. the 3-5 number is probably not enough.



The "new trend" of life insurance with premium financing doesn't necessarily have anything to do with what is needed - it is more about "what you can get away with." There are, after all, a huge number of older people in America with a net asset value in excess of $3 mil. These people do not take out insurance on each other, their families or their corporations do. And with Premium Financing, nobody on the insured's side of the equation makes the premium payments.



For example; Joe's Dad is 77 years old, relatively healthy, and has an estate worth $4 mil. Joe contacts a broker who deals with premium financing and asks about insuring his old man. The broker arranges for an application to be taken and discovers that Joe's dad can be insured for $5 mil and the annual premium is $100,000.



In this example; If Joe's dad allows his life to be the "measuring instrument" for the life insurance policy, he will get a check for $300,000 up front that he can spend any way he wants. The financing company agrees to make the $100,000 annual payments until the old guy dies - whenever that is.



Let's say the old guy passes away in 7 years. $ 700k in premiums were paid and the $ 300k was given to dad up-front; $1 mil has been spent and this leaves $4 mil to be split between the old guy's family, the financing company, and the broker. The family (Joe, in this example) could walk away with $2 mil WITHOUT EVER HAVING TO PAY ANYTHING OUT OF POCKET!



Who could possibly hate this type of plan? The insurance companies do. To prove my point, take a look at most current life insurance applications. They now ask questions like: Will any portion of the premium for this insurance be financed? Has this client sold, viaticated, or settled any previous life insurance contracts? Or, does this client have any intention to sell or settle this contract, if issued? In most cases, if any of these questions are answered, Yes, the company will not issue the policy.



Among those of us in the business of regulation and/or litigation, there is no question why the insurance companies do not like premium financing - because the premiums are guaranteed to be paid until the insured dies. As you acquire a greater knowledge of the life insurance industry, you'll discover that life insurance policies usually fail at around ages 71-75. Some experts will even argue that policies are designed to do so at that time. Believe it or not; if an insurance company is on the hook for a big policy and there is absolutely no chance of it ever lapsing, they don't like it.



This insurance business is a funny world. Have a great day .

Mark



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:28 am   Post subject:   

Wow, you are talking some big bucks there, not in my little world. LOL, This must be fun for you to work with, I can imagine the characters that you would run into working this business.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:08 pm   Post subject:   

What is meant by "fail"? Unless I am reading it wrong .it makes the insurance company sound as greedy as the person taking out that big policy. I wish i could only afford a policy large enough to pay all outstanding loans at least. My father in law left my mother in law well off. He had insurnace on every loan he had that paid them off so she was dbt free. Also he had life insurance. What did she do? She bought and paid for in cash a home in the city and moved away from the farm.Bought herself a new vehicle that she didn't need) now she complains that she needs money!Made my hubby buy the family farm that he had said he wanted my hubby to have when he passed away.Which put us in debt for many years.How would I go about takling out a policy on her ?That way when she passed we could pay off the farm we had to buy that should have been an inheritance.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:39 pm   Post subject:   

Is the farm in your husbands name yet? How old is your mother in law? Would she listen to him if he asked her about doing it? Does she have money set aside for her own burial expenses? Alot of questions that you may want to ask her, just do it in a nice way (even if you don't want to) or have your husband discuss this with her.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:45 pm   Post subject:   

Hello Hummingbird,



Quote:
Unless I am reading it wrong .it makes the insurance company sound as greedy as the person taking out that big policy




Of course you're NOT reading it wrong. The insurance companies are the greediest of them all. They love for people to take out big policies so they can manipulate the terms and conditions of the policy and cancel it before having to pay a death claim.



A policy out on her is easy. Just tell her what you'd like to do, why you'd like to do it, and pay the premiums. You might chat with a few of your family members to see if they'd like to help out with the payments for a share of the death benefit. Otherwise, tell them they're out of luck and you and your hubby will keep all the money.



Be advised, that'll probably take any dysfunction your family currently has to a completely new level.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:00 pm   Post subject: insurance  

I'm a single mom. I DO have Life Insurance, through the Military. However...I'm looking for some good, whole, Life Insurance for my son. He's 15 years old. Just would like to know people opionions with individual companies. Thanks.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:57 pm   Post subject:   

Hi sdchargersfan,



Did I read somewhere that you were a member before? If so, Welcome Back! If I didn't then - Welcome! Laughing



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I'm a single mom. I DO have Life Insurance, through the Military.




This comment made my head hurt. Let me explain - we are trying to build the number of blogs in this insurance community and when I heard the word "Military", the "lightbulb" went right through the top of my head.

Would you consider blogging on "Insurance And The Military"????? Rolling Eyes

If so, I can help you get started.



Quote:
I'm looking for some good, whole, Life Insurance for my son. He's 15 years old. Just would like to know people opionions with individual companies.




The key word here is "good". Many well recognized insurance companies don't even offer a "traditional" whole life insurance policy anymore.

As far as recommending a particular company, well, that is dangerous.

If I were to recommend one insurance company and the guy on the phone got smart with you, you wouldn't want my recommendation anymore.



I would look at companies like - AIG/American General, MetLife - well recognized, financially secure insurance companies.



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