by Guest » Tue Aug 05, 2008 09:36 pm
Okay, went and got an estimate from a Geico express site today for a 2008 Toyota Matrix. The car is about 5 months old and has 5,000 miles. They want to give me aftermarket parts on a practically new car. Even worse, the shop that's attached to the Geico Auto Repair Express site is a certified Toyota repair shop.
1. Isn't a 5 month old car new enough to get certified parts?
2. Doesn't a certified shop have to use certified parts?
3. Do I have any recourse here? Is there any sort of leverage when dealing with a Geico adjuster? Does the lawyer card work? How about mentioning that I work for a local newspaper?
1. Isn't a 5 month old car new enough to get certified parts?
2. Doesn't a certified shop have to use certified parts?
3. Do I have any recourse here? Is there any sort of leverage when dealing with a Geico adjuster? Does the lawyer card work? How about mentioning that I work for a local newspaper?
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:41 am Post Subject:
900500, You said "For instance you will not find a Mustang rear bumper cover that has Mustang embossed into it available as an aftermarket part. "
Does the vehicle owner have to except an after market bumper or can thye have one that Ford makes? If the request the Ford bumper do they have to pay the difference between that bumper and the A/M bumper? Just wondering because most people who buy mustangs usually keep the car looking as good as can be and woudl want the bumper with the horse on it.
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:34 pm Post Subject:
Does the vehicle owner have to except an after market bumper or can thye have one that Ford makes? If the request the Ford bumper do they have to pay the difference between that bumper and the A/M bumper?
Mustang isn't the only bumper cover with embosed lettering...he's right they won't come aftermarket, they will come remanufactored though, and if there is not one availabel remaned, then the adjuster will write a new oem and no the owner would not have to pay the difference.Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 02:01 pm Post Subject:
Speaking of ReManufactured.... Isn't that some used, damaged part that wasn't good enough for someone else
FK
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 02:19 pm Post Subject:
Speaking of ReManufactured.... Isn't that some used, damaged part that wasn't good enough for someone else
Used, not damaged. So basically it's OEM and much closer to what was on the vehicle then anything else.Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 04:22 pm Post Subject:
Ummmm, If it wasn't damaged... Why was it Re-manufactured?? Instead of just paint it and bolt it on the car.
Speaking of Used... with the proliferation of A.M. parts through the constant push by insurers, its very likely that Used Part won't be "Used OEM". There is a good chance it will be... "Used A.M".
I don't want Used A.M. parts on my new car. Do you want them on your new car??
FK
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 04:37 pm Post Subject:
The parts are usually labeled as remanufactured as a classification. IMHO it's more like refurbished parts... the company makes sure they are the same specs as new. Most of the time these will be parts like bumpers, which don't have any structural damage but may need to be re-chromed or a radiator that needs to be recorded.
Speaking of Used... with the proliferation of A.M. parts through the constant push by insurers, its very likely that Used Part won't be "Used OEM". There is a good chance it will be... "Used A.M".
Nope. AM are labeled as AM. I've used _plenty_ of used parts and _never_ used an AM part. Two different thing and two completely different labels.I don't want Used A.M. parts on my new car. Do you want them on your new car??
Really not the issue. What is owed and what is wanted can be two different things. If the person wants better then what they had, they can pay the difference.But if you read this entire thread (I think it's all in this one), you'd see that there are _many_ claims being made for how bad AM parts are but 99% of it is speculation, assumptions and plain incorrect.
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 06:53 pm Post Subject:
Many salvage and recycling companies are quoting used front end assemblies and when they arrive, it turns out they have used aftermarket parts to build a used assembly from a mixture of used and new a/m parts.
Many installers remove the labels that are required to be present on a/m parts or they simply paint over them. There are some salvage yards that quote used parts specified by an insurer estimate. They often times show up as previously installed a/m parts.
I am sure this is what FK is referring to. It's a credibility issue that is being questioned by FK regarding the supplier of the used parts not knowing the difference of used oem or used a/m parts.
Much of our used and salvaged vehicles are being purchased from buyers across our borders and across the oceans. Wonder why they would have an interest in our used parts when they have access to their own a/m parts? Those outside the usa are bidding higher on salvage cars for parts and rebuilding of total losses which is raising the prices of LKQ or used parts. Somebody is makin some lucrative money on total losses to be rebuilt overseas instead of being junked as they should be for quality used parts if there is such a thing.
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 07:58 pm Post Subject:
tcope,
The parts are usually labeled as remanufactured as a classification. IMHO it's more like refurbished parts...
Come on, surely your not implying that a supplier would Re-core a radiator just to brighten and freshen it up??
That reads like someone is teetering on the edge of Fraud. remanufactured & refurbished are not the same thing
the company makes sure they are the same specs as new...
I'm curious... where & how do these Remanufacturing Refurbisher's get their hands on the OE's internal specifications?? And for so many different makes, models, and model years???
Have you ever personally observed how these companies implement and execute their Quality Control. Do you even know if they have Quality Controls in place?
Most of the time these will be parts like bumpers, which don't have any structural damage
By saying most of the time they don't have structural damage you are admitting they at least sometimes have damage. Which by the way, contradicts your earlier statement.
To paraphrase:
What I see is that there are _many_ claims being made for how good A.M. & Remanufactured parts are but 99% of it is speculation, assumptions and plain incorrect. And I'm speaking as someone who actually repairs cars.
Nope. AM are labeled as AM. I've used _plenty_ of used parts and _never_ used an AM part. Two different thing and two completely different labels.
I'm not talking about "Labels", I'm talking about an actual Junk Yard part that is from a car that had previously been repaired with A.M. parts. And now that used A.M. part will be re-used on another car. AKA "used A.M.". In this case a "Used AM part" would not be equal to a used OE part allowing the car owner to reject its use on their car.
FK
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:36 pm Post Subject:
Come on, surely your not implying that a supplier would Re-core a radiator just to brighten and freshen it up??
I'm not sure what I'm implying as I'm not even sure what I said. :lol: . I probably never should have commented as much of this is outside of my expertize. So, I apologize. I should not have mentioned radiators. As remanufactured has been explained to me, it's a used part brought up the specs of a new part.I don't know if I can comment on reconditioned parts containing AM parts. I personally use very few salvage parts and when I do, it's things like bumper covers, perhaps a fender and some other minor items. With what I know, I don't see how these things could contain AM parts. I can certainly see something like a clip containing AM parts but I'd not use something like that and in 20 some years, I could count on one hand the number of times I've seen something like that used.
Please enlighten me... in what type of cases do you see reconditioned parts containing AM parts?
By saying most of the time they don't have structural damage you are admitting they at least sometimes have damage. Which by the way, contradicts your earlier statement.
That is not what I said. I said, "Most of the time these will be parts like bumpers, which don't have any structural damage". "Most of the time" applies to the type of part.... not to structural damage".Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 02:21 am Post Subject:
The only thing I would be leary of is after market chrome, especially on the bumpers, my uncle had one put on his toyota pick up, it looked great at first then about a year later, it was solid rust and was not under any type of warranty. So I would see what type of warranty comes with them, especially with the chrome
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