Judge Tosses Progressive's Fraud Suit Against New York Body Shop.

Message Author
ampm-bookmark
delicious-small Add to delicious
yahoomyweb-small Add to YahooMyWeb
blinklist-small Add to BlinkList
PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:48 am   Post subject:   

Quote:
July 18, 2008-Should've bailed out long ago, others warned me and said I was talking to a brick wall and a door knob. I'll be sure to not let the door hit me in the backside on the way out of here.
Gee Mike, how did I get that impression?


_________________

"Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way." Martin Luther King Jr.
Lori
Forum Expert
Leave a quick message

Lori
Forum Expert

Joined: 10 Sep 2007
Posts: 8080

Location: Missouri
287.93 Dollars($)

PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:54 am   Post subject:   

Quote:
I never said I would completely leave, I said I would be back after Progressive insurance lost their case against Mr Cocarro, which they did.
No they didn't it was dismissed and they (per the report I just googled and read) have appealed...(and apparently Mr. Coccaro's name is spelled like this c-o-c-c-a-r-o)


_________________

"Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way." Martin Luther King Jr.
Lori
Forum Expert
Leave a quick message

Lori
Forum Expert

Joined: 10 Sep 2007
Posts: 8080

Location: Missouri
287.93 Dollars($)

PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:19 pm   Post subject:   

Can someone tell me how I can get my VIN history checked by DMV? I want to look for Cars, but don't want to end up in the same situation again.

msvarghese
New member
Leave a quick message



Joined: 04 Aug 2008
Posts: 2


3.76 Dollars($)

PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:28 pm   Post subject:   

Maybe I did say I would leave, so what. Are you afraid of people challenging your distortions or opinions. Maybe I might have decided to not participate in an open forum, but since you always are never satisfied without lobbing a personal attack, I decided to come back and defend positions. I wouldn't want to give anyone the idea or you the satisfaction that you ran me off. You remind me of those people that wait for someone to leave a room so you can begin assasinating their character.



You can play that deception card and natter away all day about it, I responded to posts to people that had questions on DV. You sleuthed me out and exposed me? Too funny! You should get out of the everyday claims business and get into csi work perhaps. You missed your true calling maybe.



Dismissed with Prejudice

Round one goes to the little guy against the mighty goliath with the huge purse. Right prevailed over might! This is how some insurers attempt to silence their critics, bury them in legal defense fees.



Chalk one up for those with integrity!!



Judge Tosses Progressive's Fraud Suit Against New York Body Shop



8

Quote:
/6/2008 11:46:57 AM



New York body shop owner Greg Coccaro can mark one in the industry's “win” column after a New York state Supreme Court judge yesterday tossed out a fraud case filed against him by Progressive Insurance.



Coccaro and his Mercedes-Benz certified collision repair facility – North State Custom Auto in West Chester County, NY – were accused by Progressive of committing fraud in charges for work performed by North State on a customer's vehicle in 2005. After three weeks of testimony from the defense, New York Supreme Court Judge Mary Smith dismissed Progressive's case with prejudice, meaning the company cannot bring any new action on the claim again. One deciding factor in the case being thrown out was that Progressive issued North State a check for the repairs that didn't note any protest toward the cost.



Progressive spokeswoman Cristy Cote said Tuesday the company was not happy with the case's outcome.



"We are disappointed in the court's decision to dismiss the case, and we plan to appeal," she said.



Coccaro said that he was “elated with the judge's decision,” and is “extremely grateful and touched by all of the support and encouragement shown by fellow members of the collision repair industry.”



Coccaro was defended by industry attorney Erica Eversman and New York attorney Tony Mamo. Several collision repairers testified in defense of Coccaro's workmanship, invoicing and character, including Mike Orso, president of the New York State Auto Collision Technicians Association (NYSACTA).



“That was a true David and Goliath battle,” Orso said of the trial. “This is a huge win for the little guy and a huge win for our industry. If Progressive can do this to Greg, they can do this to anyone.”



Orso was scheduled to testify for the defense regarding the repairs completed by North State Custom, as well as to offer an opinion on the repair and invoicing.



“I was retained early in this case and had not known Greg previous to this matter other than as a face at NYSACTA meetings. When I traveled to New York City to inspect the car I had no idea what I was in store for,” he said. “After 15 years of Wreck Check post repair inspections I have about seen it all. This Mercedes was as close to original as humanly possible.”



Ed Kizenberger, NYSACTA Executive Director said Coccaro made the association "proud."



"He stood tall and never wavered,” Kizenberger said. "It is a testimony to his character that he never backed down and remained true to his principles. North State has and always will be an example of standing strong for what you believe is right.”



Coccaro did not receive any compensation from Progressive but has the option to file a suit against the company. Mamo and Orso have noted that Coccaro spent thousands of dollars building his defense.



Coccaro is also suing Progressive for alleged steering.


_________________

If you can't find the time to do it right, how will you ever find the time to do it over.
MikeoftheOzarks
Senior member
Leave a quick message



Joined: 10 Feb 2008
Posts: 605

Location: in the missouri ozarks
193.97 Dollars($)

PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:59 pm   Post subject:   

Even if you are able to obtain a current DMV history in your State there is no guarantee that it will contain all or any accident information. The only way to be certain is to hire someone to do a prepurchase inspection. If the seller refuses to allow the inspection you know what you should do.

900500
New member
Leave a quick message



Joined: 06 Aug 2008
Posts: 28


13.38 Dollars($)

PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:51 pm   Post subject:   

---------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------

Quote:
Can someone tell me how I can get my VIN history checked by DMV? I want to look for Cars, but don't want to end up in the same situation again.
msvarghese, let me know what state you are in and I'll do some checking for you....prior poster is right this won't show accidents at all, but should show ALL title transfers, and totals, if they 'wash' the title in other states, then it could be a problem finding it but you can with diligence...let me know your state, and I'll see what I can find out for you...


_________________

"Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way." Martin Luther King Jr.
Lori
Forum Expert
Leave a quick message

Lori
Forum Expert

Joined: 10 Sep 2007
Posts: 8080

Location: Missouri
287.93 Dollars($)

PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:16 pm   Post subject:   

Oh Mikey, Mikey, Mikey, from,

Quote:
I never said I would completely leave,
to
Quote:
Maybe I did say I would leave, so what.
I dont care if you post a hundred times a day here, don't mean a thing to me...it's just more of your inability to tell the truth....
Quote:
Are you afraid of people challenging your distortions or opinions
Clearly not...of course not...opinions are just that opinions...one of my biggests problem with you is when you (constantly) state your opinions as fact...which they are not...although it irritates you to no end when the world doesn't see it as such...I have no problem with someone challenging my opinion on any topic, if they can do it intellectually and without making things up! No distortions in this old girls head, I assure you....that is more than likely your biggest issue with me in fact...I can see you VERY clearly....
Quote:
You remind me of those people that wait for someone to leave a room so you can begin assasinating their character.
Why don't you show me the threads where this happened Mike...You've huffed and puffed, and folded your arms and stomp off, more times than I can count...I don't recall any discussion about you after you've 'left for the final time'....
Quote:
You should get out of the everyday claims business and get into csi work perhaps. You missed your true calling maybe.
Maybe but not CSI too much chemistry, not my bag...maybe private eye though...



Right same article I read....don't hear the fat lady singing yet though Wink


_________________

"Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way." Martin Luther King Jr.
Lori
Forum Expert
Leave a quick message

Lori
Forum Expert

Joined: 10 Sep 2007
Posts: 8080

Location: Missouri
287.93 Dollars($)

PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:11 pm   Post subject:   

Well, there you go again!



Quote:
I dont care if you post a hundred times a day here, don't mean a thing to me...it's just more of your inability to tell the truth....
If you don't care then stop the incessant verbal chatter and negatism.



If you can't drive away or silence the voice of opinion or opposition and truth you simply call them a liar and start with character attacks. Really Lori, I am not going to be drug down to a gutter level with you to debate a nattering nabob of negatism, sorry to disappoint you.



I am here because some posters simply do not agree with you and have asked for my opinion. I won't be here often, just enough to answer posters questions that I, as a repair expert, can assist them with.


_________________

If you can't find the time to do it right, how will you ever find the time to do it over.
MikeoftheOzarks
Senior member
Leave a quick message



Joined: 10 Feb 2008
Posts: 605

Location: in the missouri ozarks
193.97 Dollars($)

PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:47 pm   Post subject:   

I looked this up in Webster and still can't find the definition, you're gonna have to help me with this one...

Quote:
negatism
Quote:
The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary.
, I know what 'natter' means, still can't find negatism, and 'nabob' means
Quote:
1 : a provincial governor of the Mogul empire in India

2 : a person of great wealth or prominence
Since I'm certainly not of great wealth or prominence (but thanks anyway)...and certainly (last time I checked) not a provincial governor of the Mogul empire, and never been to India, again, you're gonna have to help me out with those insults...cause I don't get it... Confused
Quote:
I am here because some posters simply do not agree with you and have asked for my opinion. I won't be here often, just enough to answer posters questions that I, as a repair expert, can assist them with.
Again, I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with me...I question whether or not anyone actually solicits you, (in fact received a pm myself asking why you were contacting them without their request Rolling Eyes )....but hey whatever trips your trigger big fella....


_________________

"Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way." Martin Luther King Jr.
Lori
Forum Expert
Leave a quick message

Lori
Forum Expert

Joined: 10 Sep 2007
Posts: 8080

Location: Missouri
287.93 Dollars($)

PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:34 pm   Post subject:   

Quote:
Again, I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with me...I question whether or not anyone actually solicits you, (in fact received a pm myself asking why you were contacting them without their request )....but hey whatever trips your trigger big fella....




Highly unlikely unless his name was Tran.

Quote:
I've read a couple of post reply by some really knowledgeable people, namely ‘Lori', 'nique1221', 'Mike of Ozarks' and I think ‘tscope'? (sorry if I excluded any body else) any input from yall would be deeply appreciated.




I have only pm'd one person that said he had read some of my posts and had questions and I answered him offline simply because I warned him my posting would bring out the nattering nabobs of negativism. Not negatism as I previously spelled, but then Lori, never mis spells right? Lets not play that childish game shall we not?





Quote:
From: Tran

To: Mike of the Ozarks

Posted: 07 Aug 2008 08:29

Subject: Thank you

Thank you so much Mike for replying! I really want to write more here but it is now 3:25a.m. as I write this and I am just sO tired but I REALLY appreciate your help Mike of the Ozarks. I live in New Orleans LA and my insurance is from Texas where I am from. I will diffinetly get back with you as soon as I can. Thanks again!





More disinformation from Lori, designed to discredit and distort the issues.


_________________

If you can't find the time to do it right, how will you ever find the time to do it over.
MikeoftheOzarks
Senior member
Leave a quick message



Joined: 10 Feb 2008
Posts: 605

Location: in the missouri ozarks
193.97 Dollars($)

PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:56 pm   Post subject:   

Quote:
still can't find negatism, and 'nabob' means


You used the wrong dictionary

negatism

Retarded way of saying negativity



Nabob



Stands for Not a bad older broad

A older woman who still looks good.



I think Mike likes you Laughing



http://www.urbandictionary.com
rick7425
New member
Leave a quick message

rick7425

Joined: 29 Jul 2008
Posts: 22


13.48 Dollars($)

PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:18 am   Post subject:   

Retard? Rick did you go to the same adjuster training program as others that resort to namecalling in these forums? I think you missed this one. I am surprised Lori did since she is from the generation from which it originated. You are probably just a little wet behind the ears and have a desire to get off the porch and run with the big dogs, since you were perhaps in diapers when this reference was made originally, eh?



My personal definition is someone who chatters or natters incessantly about things they can not control such as the media or the public perception so they hurl distortions designed to deflect the truth.



Quote:
Nattering nabobs of negativism" is one of the most popular turns of phrase associated with U.S. Vice President Spiro T. Agnew, who served under Richard Nixon until resigning in October 1974, after pleading no contest to charges of tax fraud. Agnew, who had a particularly acrimonious relationship with the press, used this term to refer to the members of the media, whom he also deemed "an effete corps of impudent snobs."



According to the Congressional Record, this term was first used during Agnew's address to the California Republican state convention in San Diego on September 11, 1970. In context, it was used together with another well-known Agnew alliteration: "In the United States today, we have more than our share of the nattering nabobs of negativism. They have formed their own 4-H Club -- the "hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history."



Although this phrase is often credited to Agnew himself, it was actually written by William Safire, the legendary columnist for The New York Times, who was a speechwriter for Richard Nixon and Spiro Agnew. Some of Agnew's other pearls were actually written by Patrick Buchanan, another White House speechwriter at the time.




But seriously, as much as I disagree and I am on the opposite side of the fence with regard to insurer, collision shop, vehicle owner issues with Lori and others, and look at it from over three decades of experience dealing with all the issues from my perspective of repairer ownership experience, I do not hate any posters that I have strong disagreements with but I can and will dish it back out just as fast as it's dished to me without any anger or hate. (Sarcastically maybe) I just wish others could. I could still sit down and have a cup of coffee with Lori even if the feelings weren't mutual.


_________________

If you can't find the time to do it right, how will you ever find the time to do it over.
MikeoftheOzarks
Senior member
Leave a quick message



Joined: 10 Feb 2008
Posts: 605

Location: in the missouri ozarks
193.97 Dollars($)

PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:43 am   Post subject:   

Quote:
Rick did you go to the same adjuster training program




Nope I am a victim not an adjuster.



You left off the ED to make it retardED . No one called you a name, I wrote what the definition was according to an urban dictinary. Get you grandkids to show you how to use the internet.



Agnew was forced to resign , after a Justice Dept. investigation uncovered evidence of corruption during his years in Maryland politics; he was said to have continued to accept bribes while Vice President.

I dont think it adds to you credability quoting a liar and a theif, who worked for a theif and a liar.



Quote:
You are probably just a little wet behind the ears and have a desire to get off the porch and run with the big dogs, since you were perhaps in diapers when this reference was made originally, eh?


Do you know me? Why the personal attack?

I did not refer to you as an overbearing pampas inbreed mountain man who has out lived his usefulness and longs for the days when people listened to him but now counts the days until he too will need to wear diapers as he can no longer trust his bowels. The only joy you get is belittling a person that is attempting to shed a little light into a world few people know anything about. Do I 100% agree with every word Lori writes? No. Do I trust most of the information she provides? Yes. Do I appreciate her help? 100% yes.



Even your avatar looks shady and not trustworthy.
rick7425
New member
Leave a quick message

rick7425

Joined: 29 Jul 2008
Posts: 22


13.48 Dollars($)

PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:51 am   Post subject:   

Quote:
Vice President Spiro T. Agnew, who served under Richard Nixon until resigning in October 1974




Agnew resign on Oct. 10, 1973 and was sentenced to three years' probation and fined $10,000, and was disbarred in 1974 in Maryland.



I know it is hard for you old folks to keep the 70's straight.
rick7425
New member
Leave a quick message

rick7425

Joined: 29 Jul 2008
Posts: 22


13.48 Dollars($)

PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 3:30 am   Post subject:   

Back on the porch pooch.



Your implication I believe, was that my spelling was a retarded effort which would have been made by a retarded person. No points to you for using a birth defect slur. Your youth and inexperience is showing.



I believed you lobbed the first stone, but thank you for the history lesson not sure I saw the relevence to the discussion. Did your mom make you watch the Nixon history channel or did you actually google something all on your own. Now grasshopper, here's your gold star, go stand in the corner and put your nose in the circle on the blackboard for being a bad boy.


_________________
Register Now to have your Insurance queries solved.
Mike o' the Ozarks
Guest







All times are GMT
 Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next  
Page 2 of 6


Get free auto insurance quote
State Auto Insurance Laws in USA

USA Auto Insurance laws
Ask Community Experts

flash plugin

Quick Links

Must See

Community

Hot topics in forums

Latest in blogs

AmPmInsure on Facebook



Page loaded in 0.257 seconds.