auto insurance collision deductible costs

by greeryan » Sat Feb 28, 2009 03:08 pm

Hi Everyone,

I just have a question for everyone. Right now the average American has only $620 in their Checking Account and Negative Savings. If you or someone on your insurance policy had an at fault accident today How would you pay for your auto insurance collision deductible?

Which option would you choose?

1) Use a high Interest Credit Card or Short Term loan

2) Beg for money From a Family member or Friend

3) Leave your car broken

4) Use what little money you have and try to make ends meet


I have been asking this question to a lot of people and wanted to see what people in other areas of the USA would do.

Thanks

Ryan

Total Comments: 35

Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 06:18 pm Post Subject:

Greeryan,

This is a good question ... thanks for asking it!

With the economy in its current state, I have people asking about raising their deductibles or dropping physical damage coverage entirely. My response is, "It depends on your financial situation. Your deductible should be as high as you are comfortable paying if you have a claim, but not so high that it causes a hardship for you. If your car is damaged and you have to pay the first $500 to get it repaired, how would you pay it?" The way you phrased the question, and the responses in this forum, will give me some more things to suggest to them as food for thought to help them make the best decision for their own situation.

Thanks!

Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 06:45 pm Post Subject:

amit of course the more the better, i'm just saying that ANYONE and EVERYONE should be able to put back 5 bucks a week to start...that's 260 a year...and one of the absolute most frustrating things to me is this...people that really are in dire straights zero savings...barely getting by...then they get a giant income tax refund, and blow it :x i've seen people (some are relatives) i know have nearly nothing, get back 4-5-6k from Uncle Sam, and it's gone within 30days new furniture, clothes, t.v.s, entertainment, etc...i'm not for a second advocating that you shouldn't treat yourself some, buy a new t.v. get some new clothes...but for pete's sake, why can't these people think to atleast put half of it in the bank and leave it alone!? I'll never as long as i live understand this...

Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 07:34 pm Post Subject:

Has anyone heard of the new company IDA? I've heard a little bit about it and it sound like they'll help you set up an account that is meant specifically to cover your deductible.
I think that's a good idea for most people because a lot of people just don't have the discipline to save that kind of money - so if it were less liquid you'd leave it alone - and then you'd have it when you needed it.

So Ryan - it might be a little late, if you've already been in an accident, but it would be a good idea for next time.

I'm sorry gotta throw a giant bs flag up...I agree this is a great topic, but ryan is a rep for this 'new company' that anna has 'just heard about'

Dedicated Associate-Associate Contact Information-Ryan T Green

:roll: :x

I've just finished going thru the site, and I personally and professionally have many issues with this product as well as incorrect information given on the site...ie

For example, if you have a $1,000 collision insurance deductible, and you are involved in a collision that requires $5,000 worth of repairs to your vehicle, you would be required to pay $1,000 (your collision insurance deductible) before the insurance company will pay the remaining $4,000 to the repair shop.

Can't even tell you how wrong and illegal that statement is in ALL states....no carrier can make an insured pay the deductible upfront...(might want to check the fair claims practice laws of each state)...the company will issue the 4k payment period...

and again same incorrect information

collision insurance pays for the repairs to the vehicle after the consumer pays their collision insurance deductible.

Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 09:40 pm Post Subject:

Well I'm Glad to see that so many people have an interest in this subject.
I am a Marketing Director for IDA Marketing Services as Lori implies, but I did not post any links. I was interested to see how people would pay.
Now to set some things straight that Lori has said about IDA. This is posting was not supposed to be about IDA but I need to give correct information.

First off.. The Collision Deductible Reserve Plan or CDRP has been in the open market for over 5 1/2 years and has been approved by the insurance and securities regulators and all legal authorities in all 50 states.

Lori I'm not sure which site you looked at for your information but this is how the insurance collision deductible Reserve Plan works in a nutshell.

Step one... Raise your Collision Deductible to $1000...This will save you 10% - 40% on your insurance

Step two... Set up a CDRP and fund it with your savings, once the CDRP is funded you no longer contribute to the account. It stays there for when you need it. And you continue to pocket the savings from having a higher deductible.

Step three.. If you have an accident before you have the full $1000 IDA advances you the difference. You pay back the advance with no interest and no fees at a minimum of $25 a month.

Step four... When you retire from driving due to age, health, or similar situations IDA gives you back your $1000.

The Collision Deductible Reserve Plan(CDRP) acts much like a health savings account. You raise your deductibles and redirect your savings to an account that is dedicated to a specific purpose. The act of raising your deductibles from $250-$500 to $1000 will save you 10% - 40% on your overall premium.
In a health savings account(HSA) your money can only be used for medical expenses, With the CDRP your account can only be used for your collisions.
The advantage of the CDRP is that you can leverage your contributions to your CDRP to eliminate the risk involved having a higher deductible, that risk being a lump sum $1000 out of pocket. With the CDRP that deductible is spread out over time with no interest accrued. And even though many people are very smart and know that they can save money with a higher deductible yet they still have lower deductibles.
There are many reasons for this but one of the most common is that most lenders or lease companies will not allow you to have a deductible over $500. Over the last 9+ years of development and 5 1/2 years of product testing IDA has resolved this problem and without fail, to date all lenders and lease companies have allowed the customer to raise the deductible to a higher amount. The reason for this is that IDA now secures that deductible as a third party company. The fact is that most people do not have the discipline or the where with all to set up there own "reserve account" and not to tap into it. Plus the time it would take to raise a $1000 savings from the savings of a higher deductible would take a long time, and during that time they have an increased risk due to the fact that they do not have the full $1000 in their savings, where would the money come from should they have an accident? A credit card? a payday loan? All with high interest. With the CDRP those risks are not a factor anymore, because IDA will fund the entire $1000 interest free to cover the accident even if you only have $25 in your CDRP, no deductible out of the consumers pocket, and the advance is repaid over time from the savings that they realize from their higher deductibles.

Also all funds are FDIC insured, not to mention that several Leaders in the insurance industry are board member with IDA. These board members include Richard Hawkins Vice President of AAA Insurance of Washington and Idaho. Richard is well know in the insurance industry as a leader. Also Gerald McElroy is a member of the board of governors of Farmers Group Insurance and sits on the board of directors for Zurich Insurance as well. There are more than this as well.

When a client has a claim they take their car to the repair shop like usual and get the quote for the repair. The insurance company will pay the repair amount not including the deductible. IDA will send the funds to the repair shop to cover your deductible for you so that you do not have to come up with a lump sum out of pocket.

I don't know why you would have an objection to people saving money that they already spend on insurance and set up their own reserve account to pay for their deductible. Any financial adviser will tell you that raising your deductibles will save you money that you can use for better things.

If you have further questions Lori I will arrange a meeting with Gerald McElroy and/or Richard if you like or the CEO of IDA.

Again I was not intending that this thread was about IDA but I need to give correct information.

Ryan Green

Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:12 pm Post Subject:

I be;ieve that if you can set up a fund with a company like IDA then any person with half a brain can go down to their local bank and set up a fund there...its called a savings account. If you have the means to invest in a fund then you have the means to set aside your own deductible.
One should never agree to a deductuble they will not be able to pay if something would happen. If you do so that you can save on car insurance then putting aside the difference is a saving account just makes way more sense to me and it seems it would eb a whole lot less of a hassle.
Lori, I know what you mean about income tax. See it around here all the time. People will go blow it and then when disaster hits they split up and go knocking on relatives doors for help. If this was the case and it was my door being knocked on I would ask them to sell off one of their purchases or let me hold it for collateral.

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 05:44 am Post Subject:

If anyone has ever experienced before, when a troubles start, they prfer to attck us in bunch!! You have no credit card co. giving you maney on time as you have already used elsewhere for development, your colleagues would alrady be in the trouble as you are in these days and so on. But it is a fact that a car would never be left broken if you are industrious. And in case of savings, it seems painful for everyone. I try a thing when I get payments from somewhere I just give a handful of money without any count to my mother( she is a good at savings). Then I beg at her only when there is no otion left! How's an idea?

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 07:22 am Post Subject:

Here is a mind blowing fact.... If everyone in the USA that has a Collision Deductible of $500 or less raised their deductible to $1000 it would produce around $60,000,000,000 a year in savings! Yes 60 Billion dollars in savings, that is what I call a Stimulus package. :D

I be;ieve that if you can set up a fund with a company like IDA then any person with half a brain can go down to their local bank and set up a fund there...its called a savings account. If you have the means to invest in a fund then you have the means to set aside your own deductible.



Fireyone, I agree that anyone can set aside money each month for a rainy day in a savings account. The problem with 95% of Americans in our day and age is that they do not know how to save money! Thus the current economic problems our country is in. Take a look at past generations and they would save on average 5% - 20% of their income every year. In today's society of instant gratification and overly accessible credit people no longer know how to save. In fact since 2006, the census reports that the USA has Negative Savings as a whole! A Large portion of people in the USA are only one paycheck away from bankruptcy.

If you have the means to invest in a fund then you have the means to set aside your own deductible.


That is true but, but you are looking at a small minority of the populous, and what of the people that want to set aside money each month but don't have the financial resources? How would they fund a side account?

What IDA offers is a structured savings program that redirects money they already spend on insurance to fund their own reserve account. That money comes from savings realized from raising their collision deductible. Plus the person will never have to come out of pocket with a lump sum of money to pay for their deductible and the program is funded with their savings!

The CDRP is not for everyone, and I tell that to everyone but it can help a lot of people start a method of saving money that they would not have otherwise done. Just take me for example I have had deductibles of $250-$500 for the last 16 years and would not raise them for the fear of having to come up with $1000 out of pocket, with the CDRP the fear is eliminated because the full $1000 is available when and if I need it. Also since the inception of IDA's Collision Deductible Reserve Plan over 98% of the customers that have a CDRP have kept it. Tell me an insurance company or any other product that has that high of a retention rate. The CDRP offers real value and helps people save real money. Plus you can set up a $1000 reserve account for as little as $650.

If anything I hope that people start looking at new ways to free up money each month to save. For a long time the world has been of the mentality of "Oh it's only a dollar" now we are starting to see what Bejamin Franklin said "A Penny Saved Is a Penny Earned" That is true no matter how you save it.

Have a great one and lets try to get America back on financial track.

Ryan

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 01:19 pm Post Subject:

I think , Insurance is nothing but a Sinking fund.Like this You also need to have A saving account. You need to save some money by cutting down some of you unwanted expenditure. This would be used only in the case of non-anticipated or unforeseen situations.Everybody should learn the act of economizing.

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 02:05 pm Post Subject:

but I did not post any links.

Ryan you are correct you did not...and certainly feel free to add your site to your signature...your OP (original post) however is verbatim your home page... HowWouldYouPay.com
I still have no problem with that, or even OPENLY discussing your product...the problem I DO have are the 'follow ups' by someone (anna) who just 'happened' to hear about this and follow you to the board! :roll: come on dude, I'm old but not totally stupid...I haven't requested the URL's be run to see if the same computer generated both, because frankly at this point I don't care...if this thread was not a 'set up/fishing thread' it damn sure looks like one, and I'd think you'd even have to agree with that!

Lori I'm not sure which site you looked at for your information but this is how the Collision Deductible Reserve Plan works in a nutshell.


I looked at yours as well as about three or four sites from IDA on this product, including the one that boasts this..

I HELP OTHERS SAVE MONEY + I HELP OTHERS MAKE MONEY = I GET FILTHY RICH

about this product..

I am a Marketing Director for IDA Marketing Services as Lori implies,

so you are now at the level three of honestly what appears to be some shirt tail cousin of a pyramid.

I don't know why you would have an objection to people saving money that they already spend on insurance and set up their own reserve account to pay for their deductible. Any financial adviser will tell you that raising your deductibles will save you money that you can use for better things.

I don't have any objections to people raising their deductibles to save premium dollars, and have posted so probably more than 100 times...I'm totally on board with that...

First off.. The Collision Deductible Reserve Plan or CDRP has been in the open market for over 5 1/2 years

well that's opposed to your head honcho's website that says it went live sept 2008..

IDA built a bulletproof infrastructure until 2008 when they launched publicly on September 8th. .

and has been approved by the insurance and securities regulators and all legal authorities in all 50 states.

I didn't say the product was illegal, but some of the information on the site is incorrect...ie..from my prior post..the site states

For example, if you have a $1,000 collision insurance deductible, and you are involved in a collision that requires $5,000 worth of repairs to your vehicle, you would be required to pay $1,000 (your collision insurance deductible) before the insurance company will pay the remaining $4,000 to the repair shop.

and i said

Can't even tell you how wrong and illegal that statement is in ALL states....no carrier can make an insured pay the deductible upfront...(might want to check the fair claims practice laws of each state)...the company will issue the 4k payment period...


additional incorrect information from the site

collision insurance pays for the repairs to the vehicle after the consumer pays their collision insurance deductible




You did not address these issues or what about comp? the insured can only raise their collision deductible not their comp deductible...this is drastically reducing the amount of savings the insured can obtain..why does your product not cover the comp AND collision deductibles? Depending on the areas, I can tell you in my area that comp claims are minimally 50% of what I handle...so what gives with that?


Ok, now I'm really ticked after doing a little more digging, (I KNEW my gut was right! :x ) and mostly irritated at how 'not' smart you guys are being..''ANNA'' has her blog in her profile on this site...

See my blog at http://IDAisawesome.blogspot.com and see how you can save on your auto insurance.

you are STILL maintaining you have nothing to do with this company? oh my gosh! 'anna' is really ryan's wife 'caranna'...ok i'm done....sending request for you both to be banned from this site....you know it's truly a shame...there is no harm or foul in openly discussing your product, we do have an 'agents' forum...and getting feedback, even help in generating business and leads...but to slim your way in with spam, is well just slimmy...i realize you are both young, but seriously mom and dad surely taught you both all that honesty is the best policy... :roll: well maybe not....

Again I was not intending that this thread was about IDA

well clearly your wife did... :roll:

fyi,warning..please do your research before buying into this.....

bottom line, anna is ryans wife, these are spam posts...

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 02:09 pm Post Subject:

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Hi Ryan,

Nice Press Release, but... both you and it failed to address Lori's comments on the Miss-information on the IDA web-site.

Quote:
For example, if you have a $1,000 collision insurance deductible, and you are involved in a collision that requires $5,000 worth of repairs to your vehicle, you would be required to pay $1,000 (your collision insurance deductible) before the insurance company will pay the remaining $4,000 to the repair shop.
Can't even tell you how wrong and illegal that statement is in ALL states....no carrier can make an insured pay the deductible upfront...(might want to check the fair claims practice laws of each state)...the company will issue the 4k payment period...

and again same incorrect information Quote:
collision insurance pays for the repairs to the vehicle after the consumer pays their collision insurance deductible.



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I'd also like to mention that a Higher Deductible does not always save money. True it lowers one's Premiums. But... how much if any money is saved in the long run is dependant on one's Accident Frequency. How can that be one may wonder¿¿

[ I did not call a dozen insurance agents to get actual numbers]

If one increased their deductible from $500 to $1000 and it resulted in an annual saving of .... say.... $80. At $80 it would take 6.25 years to accumulate the $500 additional Deductible amount. Which would be the "Break even" point. After this accident Free length of time one would begin to actually save Money. On the other hand... if one had the misfortune of 2 (Two) accidents in a 6.25 year span.... Ought-Oh.... now its costing more because of that higher deductible.

So now one would need to be accident Free for 12.5 years in order to reach that "Break even" point. With a bit of bad luck that Savings could prove to be very very expensive for an "insurance consumer" and at the same time be a Profit center for an insurer. Wow... with that in mind I can see why... " Richard Hawkins Vice President of AAA Insurance of Washington and Idaho" and "Gerald McElroy is a member of the board of governors of Farmers Group Insurance and sits on the board of directors for Zurich Insurance as well" ...would be interested in making it easier for a few unlucky insured's to Pay more for less insurance.

The skinny of this whole idea of Higher Deductibles to save money works best for people like me, that get into a fender bender every 25 to 30 years.

Bottom Line:

Before one Up's that deductible... Call you Agent and get the Real Numbers..! Then divide the amount of the deductible increase by the annual savings amount to get your "Break even" point. [ number of accident free years required to recover the deductible increase ]

Just My Thoughts... and I'm sure that if I've misstated anything... someone will tear me a new one... :)

FK

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