How does putting aftermarket parts on my car effect the value of my car if the car is only 3 months old?
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:09 pm Post Subject:
I know a lot of carriers that will use reman/used and some a/m after a vehicle is a year old or over 12-15k miles.
what I'm curious about is two things...what carrier will use a/m parts on current model year? And why would you say
I see plenty of '08 vehicles with AM bumpers or worse reconditioned bumpers on estimates
A recon/reman cover is OEM? :?
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:15 pm Post Subject:
Reconditioned bumpers are the absolute worst product a shop becomes liable for. The water based primer used in reconditioning alone, is 5 mils thick. (one mil is equal to three sheets of notebook paper) If you take that bumper and have two guys hold it while twisting in different directions (simulating an impact) primer will turn loose from the raw plastic in more than one area.
A reconditioned oem bumper is not equivalent to a pre-loss oem cover which is owed. It is simply a damaged, repaired, and heavily primed cover which does not flex as was originally intended by design. A technician spends more time trying to prepare the heavily water based primed recon cover sanding for which they are not properly compensated. Paint refinish times were based on new undamaged parts which required only scuffing with scotch brite. You must block sand the water based primers because the orange peel is so heavy and you must locate the area of repair to make sure it is non detectible.
Using a reconditioned bumper makes about as much sense as buying wrecked and repaired fenders, hoods, decklids, that vendors dug out of a dumpster and have bondo'd and used thick primer to hide all the distortion. Paint manufacturers all have a maximum recommmendation with their top coat and cleared products where the top coat achieves maximum performance and durability. It's not like icing on a cake where thicker is better.
Below is a sample of a recondtioned bumper which had an impact with a snow bank. Note how the paint separated. It was the water based primer which separated from the raw poorly prepared substrate and not the paint from the primer.
Local drivers representing one national line of aftermarket parts cringe when we have inquired whether their recon covers have improved. He replied "I am picking more than half of them back up on warranty issues or loading them back on the truck after the shop inspects them and rejects them."
Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 01:05 am Post Subject:
If you opt to use a recon/reman bumper, you might as well go ahead and repair the cover you need replaced, because that is essentially what the recon bumper companies are doing anyway. I see Farmers, Progressive, Esurance, and Allstate using them on '08 vehicles often. To be honest, it should not matter what year the vehicle is. If you actually were to see some of these covers that they are repairing/reselling, you would think twice about using them. As Mike pointed out, bumper covers serve a purpose in safety as well as integrity. The safety and integrity that the factory intended in the product is now gone. Repairing superficial or cosmetic damage(s) are one thing, but when you begin filling holes and heating up plastics in an effort to "reform" the appearance of the OEM product, thats just the same as applying a band-aid to a problem. When I was a manager of a shop, I had covers destroyed and always went to price matching, eating or having the owner pay the difference. I wasn't willing to take the risk with the liability. I get many requests from clients to opt for reman covers and I tell them up front that I won't bother calling for prices and that they can explain that to the vehicle owner, end of story.
Lori your in MO. I am sure your familiar with Complete Bumper, A&A or LKQ Corp out of Topeka. Go down there and look for yourself of what;s being resold. Trust me it's a nightmare. These companies have used materials like that plastic webbing stuff used to wrap packages for transit, to fill holes etc.
Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:52 am Post Subject:
These companies have used materials like that plastic webbing stuff used to wrap packages for transit, to fill holes etc.
I don't wanna question the element of 'safety' associated with it. But I'd like to know the duration for which these plastic webbing stuff may cover such holes or damages.
Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:41 pm Post Subject:
Why wouldn't you want to question it? It should not matter the volume in which such a material is used amoung others, it should be the fact that a material such as that would be used at all. If a cover was so badly damaged that the labor to repair it exceeded it's replacement or the damage was not repairable by a production shop, why is this cover now being repaired and resold to the consumer as "like new" condition. And beyond that, like Mike pointed out the procedures/steps used often result in a product that flawed.
Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 01:38 pm Post Subject:
I don't wanna question the element of 'safety' associated with it. But I'd like to know the duration for which these plastic webbing stuff may cover such holes or damages.
Sometimes it lasts as long as it takes to run to Wallyworld and have someone bump into it with their car while angle parking. Not uncommon to see all the license plate nuts that impact the cover even on the non repaired ones.
Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:59 pm Post Subject:
Sometimes it lasts as long as it takes to run to Wallyworld and have someone bump into it with their car while angle parking
Sometimes it even happens while installing it on the car :shock:
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 09:41 pm Post Subject: after market parts
Seems I opened up a can of worms here. My sister's car was relativly new when that happened .She refused to accept the after market parts so they gave her new parts.That was a while back though.She doesn't even have the same car now .She traded it off recently for a new car.
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 01:07 pm Post Subject: tnIRxYmfRSKUAZCK
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:09 pm Post Subject:
I know a lot of carriers that will use reman/used and some a/m after a vehicle is a year old or over 12-15k miles.
what I'm curious about is two things...what carrier will use a/m parts on current model year? And why would you say
I see plenty of '08 vehicles with AM bumpers or worse reconditioned bumpers on estimates
A recon/reman cover is OEM? :?Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:15 pm Post Subject:
Reconditioned bumpers are the absolute worst product a shop becomes liable for. The water based primer used in reconditioning alone, is 5 mils thick. (one mil is equal to three sheets of notebook paper) If you take that bumper and have two guys hold it while twisting in different directions (simulating an impact) primer will turn loose from the raw plastic in more than one area.
A reconditioned oem bumper is not equivalent to a pre-loss oem cover which is owed. It is simply a damaged, repaired, and heavily primed cover which does not flex as was originally intended by design. A technician spends more time trying to prepare the heavily water based primed recon cover sanding for which they are not properly compensated. Paint refinish times were based on new undamaged parts which required only scuffing with scotch brite. You must block sand the water based primers because the orange peel is so heavy and you must locate the area of repair to make sure it is non detectible.
Using a reconditioned bumper makes about as much sense as buying wrecked and repaired fenders, hoods, decklids, that vendors dug out of a dumpster and have bondo'd and used thick primer to hide all the distortion. Paint manufacturers all have a maximum recommmendation with their top coat and cleared products where the top coat achieves maximum performance and durability. It's not like icing on a cake where thicker is better.
Below is a sample of a recondtioned bumper which had an impact with a snow bank. Note how the paint separated. It was the water based primer which separated from the raw poorly prepared substrate and not the paint from the primer.
http://www.asashop.org/news/2008/july2008/ASA47.htm
Local drivers representing one national line of aftermarket parts cringe when we have inquired whether their recon covers have improved. He replied "I am picking more than half of them back up on warranty issues or loading them back on the truck after the shop inspects them and rejects them."
Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 01:05 am Post Subject:
If you opt to use a recon/reman bumper, you might as well go ahead and repair the cover you need replaced, because that is essentially what the recon bumper companies are doing anyway. I see Farmers, Progressive, Esurance, and Allstate using them on '08 vehicles often. To be honest, it should not matter what year the vehicle is. If you actually were to see some of these covers that they are repairing/reselling, you would think twice about using them. As Mike pointed out, bumper covers serve a purpose in safety as well as integrity. The safety and integrity that the factory intended in the product is now gone. Repairing superficial or cosmetic damage(s) are one thing, but when you begin filling holes and heating up plastics in an effort to "reform" the appearance of the OEM product, thats just the same as applying a band-aid to a problem. When I was a manager of a shop, I had covers destroyed and always went to price matching, eating or having the owner pay the difference. I wasn't willing to take the risk with the liability. I get many requests from clients to opt for reman covers and I tell them up front that I won't bother calling for prices and that they can explain that to the vehicle owner, end of story.
Lori your in MO. I am sure your familiar with Complete Bumper, A&A or LKQ Corp out of Topeka. Go down there and look for yourself of what;s being resold. Trust me it's a nightmare. These companies have used materials like that plastic webbing stuff used to wrap packages for transit, to fill holes etc.
Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:52 am Post Subject:
These companies have used materials like that plastic webbing stuff used to wrap packages for transit, to fill holes etc.
I don't wanna question the element of 'safety' associated with it. But I'd like to know the duration for which these plastic webbing stuff may cover such holes or damages.
Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:41 pm Post Subject:
Why wouldn't you want to question it? It should not matter the volume in which such a material is used amoung others, it should be the fact that a material such as that would be used at all. If a cover was so badly damaged that the labor to repair it exceeded it's replacement or the damage was not repairable by a production shop, why is this cover now being repaired and resold to the consumer as "like new" condition. And beyond that, like Mike pointed out the procedures/steps used often result in a product that flawed.
Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 01:38 pm Post Subject:
I don't wanna question the element of 'safety' associated with it. But I'd like to know the duration for which these plastic webbing stuff may cover such holes or damages.
Sometimes it lasts as long as it takes to run to Wallyworld and have someone bump into it with their car while angle parking. Not uncommon to see all the license plate nuts that impact the cover even on the non repaired ones.
Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:59 pm Post Subject:
Sometimes it lasts as long as it takes to run to Wallyworld and have someone bump into it with their car while angle parking
Sometimes it even happens while installing it on the car :shock:
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 09:41 pm Post Subject: after market parts
Seems I opened up a can of worms here. My sister's car was relativly new when that happened .She refused to accept the after market parts so they gave her new parts.That was a while back though.She doesn't even have the same car now .She traded it off recently for a new car.
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 01:07 pm Post Subject: tnIRxYmfRSKUAZCK
About3631.. Not so bad :)
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