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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:59 pm   Post subject: How does putting aftermarket parts  

How does putting aftermarket parts on my car effect the value of my car if the car is only 3 months old?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:51 pm   Post subject:   

Hello Annette and welcome to the community........



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How does putting aftermarket parts on my car effect the value of my car if the car is only 3 months old?
How many miles does your vehicle have and what is the year? Wouldn't hurt to know the make and model as well. What/which parts are we talking about? We really need more details to attempt to answer your question...When you say the vehicle is 3months old, some people mean that they have only had the vehicle 3months, but it's a 1999 sunfire...see my point? I'm really shocked though if an insurance company wrote a/m parts on a vehicle that is new...most don't...Please be more specific and I'm sure we can help you with this....



MOST of the time there should be no effect on value assuming that they are capa certified and of course dependent upon the part...all companies have guidelines and rules regarding the use of a/m parts...I won't go into all of that till we know what parts we are discussing....also are you sure they are aftermarket and not reman?



I look forward to your response and the opportunity to assist you.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:35 am   Post subject:   

Using aftermarket parts to fix your car may reduce the cost of repair but at the same time may pull down the value of the car as well. If you go to resale your car later on, you may be offered less than half the price of the car by the dealer.



At times, the insurers can get little pushy with fixing the car with aftermarket parts. It reduces the cost on their part. But you should strongly protest if they are trying to sell you junk parts on a brand new vehicle or not satisfied with the quality of the parts used.



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:18 am   Post subject:   

The aftermarket parts are now being widely used by the body shops, with the consent of the insurer, to fix damaged cars. Apparently, there is no harm in using a/m parts if they are certified, but the value of the car may get affected. Try to shed some more light on the issue for better assistance form the experts.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:05 pm   Post subject:   

My sister was hit by a car and their insurance wanted to to put after market parts on. hse refused them and their argued about it. In the end she got the original replacement parts to put her car back to where it was before it was damaged. Of course they will want to fix it cheap as they can.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:48 pm   Post subject:   

http://www.bodyshopbusiness.com/Article/66419/caa_survey_questions_qua lity_of_capacertified_parts.aspx



Draw your own conclusions but the survey concludes that 49 percent of the people installing a/m parts do not feel they are equivalent to oem parts and that they find on averge 1in4 parts are equivalent; only 1.3 percent feel that they are equal, leaving about 49.7 to be indifferent.



78 percent of those surveyed stated that they installed aftermarket parts because of insurance criteria by participating in DRP programs. 90 percent of respondendts felt policy holders were not told or were unaware of the use of imitation parts being mandated in their policies until after they had experienced an accident.



Either policy holders do not read their policies or insurers have failed to explain or sell the aftermarket parts as equal to the original parts while selling policies that do not fully restore accident damaged vehicle to pre-loss conditon as promised in the contract of insurance?



The CAA (California Autobody Association) feels there are inadequate policies in place to decertify parts that were supposed to have been equivalent and that tracking decertified parts needed to be a priority.



One could conclude that the vast majority of repairers using aftermarket parts in the repair of collision damaged vehicles where insurers are paying for repairs, are doing so fonly for fear of being removed from their DRP programs and not because they believe them to be equal to oem. At least 50 percent had the cahonies and were bold enough to speak up and assert what they believed to be true. "We're only using them because insurers mandate the use of them" as a cost savings measure. This is all to the detriment of the value of the vehicle or public safety and leaving policy holders with no means of being informed when those parts are later found to be not equivalent where a certification organization funded by insurers found them to be equivalent initially. Who are you gonna believe? Do the certifiers need to be certified? They seem to be certifying parts to be equivalent that repairers claim 75 percent of them are not!


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:45 pm   Post subject:   

Hey mods can this discussion be moved to the proper forum under auto insurance? ok Wink



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 8:09 pm   Post subject:   

Correct, using aftermarket parts to repair your car will lower its value. Obviously insurance companies could care less, and just want to save the most amount of money possible. However, I believe you should be able to refute that with your insurance company if you are not comfortable using aftermarket parts to repair your brand new car.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:14 pm   Post subject:   

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However, I believe you should be able to refute that with your insurance company if you are not comfortable using aftermarket parts to repair your brand new car.
I personally do not know any carrier that puts a/m parts on a brand new vehicle, all carrier procedures that I'm aware of (admittedly do not know all)...are the same.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:13 am   Post subject:   

I'd request you all to share if you've come across any such instances wherein the use of after-market parts could have been the cause of an accident. Also would like you guys to go through the following discussion at our forums- http://www.ampminsure.org/start/aftermarketparts.html

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:34 pm   Post subject:   

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I personally do not know any carrier that puts a/m parts on a brand new vehicle, all carrier procedures that I'm aware of (admittedly do not know all)...are the same.




There are many insurers who undoubtably require their adjusters or shops to ultilize AM parts if the vehicle is at least 1 year old and or more 12k miles (sometimes that doesn't even matter). I see plenty of '08 vehicles with AM bumpers or worse reconditioned bumpers on estimates. For example, I reinspected a 2008 Cadillac Escalade with a recondtioned front cover used. This vehicle had less then 30k miles on it.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:09 pm   Post subject:   

I know a lot of carriers that will use reman/used and some a/m after a vehicle is a year old or over 12-15k miles.



what I'm curious about is two things...what carrier will use a/m parts on current model year? And why would you say

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I see plenty of '08 vehicles with AM bumpers or worse reconditioned bumpers on estimates
A recon/reman cover is OEM? Confused


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:15 pm   Post subject:   

Reconditioned bumpers are the absolute worst product a shop becomes liable for. The water based primer used in reconditioning alone, is 5 mils thick. (one mil is equal to three sheets of notebook paper) If you take that bumper and have two guys hold it while twisting in different directions (simulating an impact) primer will turn loose from the raw plastic in more than one area.



A reconditioned oem bumper is not equivalent to a pre-loss oem cover which is owed. It is simply a damaged, repaired, and heavily primed cover which does not flex as was originally intended by design. A technician spends more time trying to prepare the heavily water based primed recon cover sanding for which they are not properly compensated. Paint refinish times were based on new undamaged parts which required only scuffing with scotch brite. You must block sand the water based primers because the orange peel is so heavy and you must locate the area of repair to make sure it is non detectible.



Using a reconditioned bumper makes about as much sense as buying wrecked and repaired fenders, hoods, decklids, that vendors dug out of a dumpster and have bondo'd and used thick primer to hide all the distortion. Paint manufacturers all have a maximum recommmendation with their top coat and cleared products where the top coat achieves maximum performance and durability. It's not like icing on a cake where thicker is better.



Below is a sample of a recondtioned bumper which had an impact with a snow bank. Note how the paint separated. It was the water based primer which separated from the raw poorly prepared substrate and not the paint from the primer.







http://www.asashop.org/news/2008/july2008/ASA47.htm



Local drivers representing one national line of aftermarket parts cringe when we have inquired whether their recon covers have improved. He replied "I am picking more than half of them back up on warranty issues or loading them back on the truck after the shop inspects them and rejects them."



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:05 am   Post subject:   

If you opt to use a recon/reman bumper, you might as well go ahead and repair the cover you need replaced, because that is essentially what the recon bumper companies are doing anyway. I see Farmers, Progressive, Esurance, and Allstate using them on '08 vehicles often. To be honest, it should not matter what year the vehicle is. If you actually were to see some of these covers that they are repairing/reselling, you would think twice about using them. As Mike pointed out, bumper covers serve a purpose in safety as well as integrity. The safety and integrity that the factory intended in the product is now gone. Repairing superficial or cosmetic damage(s) are one thing, but when you begin filling holes and heating up plastics in an effort to "reform" the appearance of the OEM product, thats just the same as applying a band-aid to a problem. When I was a manager of a shop, I had covers destroyed and always went to price matching, eating or having the owner pay the difference. I wasn't willing to take the risk with the liability. I get many requests from clients to opt for reman covers and I tell them up front that I won't bother calling for prices and that they can explain that to the vehicle owner, end of story.



Lori your in MO. I am sure your familiar with Complete Bumper, A&A or LKQ Corp out of Topeka. Go down there and look for yourself of what;s being resold. Trust me it's a nightmare. These companies have used materials like that plastic webbing stuff used to wrap packages for transit, to fill holes etc.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:52 am   Post subject:   

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These companies have used materials like that plastic webbing stuff used to wrap packages for transit, to fill holes etc.


I don't wanna question the element of 'safety' associated with it. But I'd like to know the duration for which these plastic webbing stuff may cover such holes or damages.

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