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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:51 am   Post subject: Can anyone tell me the honest truth about SHC?  

From what I have seen there are quite a few negative comments about SHC but it seems a lot of them are ones from folks who are not used to hard work. I don't mind hard work and long days as long as there is a light at the end of the tunnel. I am attending my webinar about the company tomorrow and am very excited. Any other suggestions before I start down the path with SHC? Did you honestly have days like I have seen some of the comments say about not getting in bed till 11:30pm and then on the road at 7am? I do have younger kids that I see every other weekend and every wednesday night. Do you think I will be able to see them the first year? This is very important to me so be honest. Thanks

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Brad, I've not come across anyone yet who would complain about the supplementary health product sold by SHC, but I'm afraid that the stories about the long hours are true. Also, I've read some comments over the net that Senior Health Care Consultants often fails to meet the promises made to their agents. However, since you are not shy of hard works, it might not become an issue for you. Regarding meeting your kids in the weekends, I guess you would be able to set the appointments accordingly. Also, you may have to work out a method with immediate senior so that things run smoothly for both.

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There are tons of insurance products and insurance-related products that are over sold. I'm not familiar with this one, but it is up to you to make sure that your clients are aware of the significant limitations of the plan.



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 12:16 am   Post subject:   

SHC does not have one individual plan that they market. Senior Healthcare Consultants sells mostly Medicare Advantage plans, Medicare Supps, with occasional life insurance policies or long term care policies. They have offices in many different states and your experience is going to vary.



The office in SC, for example, works their agents from Tuesday - Friday with the option to work appointments on Saturdays. They normally set their agents 3-5 preset appointments on a daily basis...so it would be very difficult to drag a day from 7:30am to 11:00pm. Most of the applications of the products they sell are completed inside the home, and are very brief. (so not a whole lot of paperwork to do every evening!) I do not doubt that you could push yourself to the point of working crazy hours if you were so inclined to do so, but normally this would be during the 6 weeks of AEP (can explain if you're not familiar). During these 6 weeks, many agents make 1/4 or more of their annual income if they deal primarily with Medicare programs.



I'm sure that at this point you've been able to make up your own mind about SHC...and we'd love to hear about your experience.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:49 pm   Post subject: insurance  

CHRIS.............I work with the Elderly, on a daily basis. I've heard of SHC, however......I'm unfamiliar on the products they sell. Is it products that the Elderly need day to day?is it Life Insurance policies?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 10:42 pm   Post subject:   

SHC, while they do offer some life insurance and long term care insurance, primarily focuses on Medicare Advantage Plans and Medicare Supplements. If you need additional information on what these are, send me a message!

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:48 am   Post subject: insurance  

YEAH....I WOULD like some more information on it. Alot of my 'Clients' are curious about products that are available to the. Thanks.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:27 am   Post subject: SHC  

I have been through the webinar by Fritz Simonson and have had a phone interview with him. Don't know if they are going to "select" me, but let me give you my thoughts about the company so far.

1. The management team is very young. Most are in their early 30s. I am always concerned when the people running a company are this young.

2. They are concerned with money and perks. They have a hunting lodge and they give away Range Rovers. I am always concerned with a "high roller" mentality. It is easy for people with this attitude lose site of the big picture.

3. Their CFO is not a CPA and apparently has never held any significant CFO or Controller position in the past. In fact, he used to be a salesman for SHC. This shows they are more concerned about sales experience than financial accounting experience. They won't be able to grow without real financial leadership.

4. They don't want to show you any financial information on the financial strength of the company. Let me ask you, if you are going to spend 60 to 70 hours a week building a commission stream, wouldn't you want to know how financially sound they are? Wouldn't it really suck if you worked for a couple years and then had the company go out of business and see your commissions go away? Of course you would. SHC won't do business with an insurance company if they aren't financially sound, why would you want to do business with a company that can't prove to you they are financially sound. Fritz got a little testy with me when I asked him for audited financial statements. Wonder why? If you are financially sound, you shouldn't have a problem showing financials.

5. Most of the testimonials on their website are officers or senior managers. Not much from the rank and file. Wonder why?

6. A new agent’s day will start at 6 am with a conference call with your manager. This was not disclosed until the phone interview. With this schedule it is conceivable you will be working 70 to 80 hours. The early literature says you will not have Saturday appointments, as you get further into the interview process, that becomes less clear. Additionally, they say you won't have appointments on Sunday or Monday, again given the "don't quit until you meet your quota" mentality, I don't believe it.

7. I would assume their sales have been taken a hit with the bad economy. Baby boomers are delaying retirement because their investments took a 30% to 50% hit last year. Since they are continuing to work, they are still receiving medical insurance from their company plans.

8. They like to send "new" salespeople to small towns. Apparently small town people are easier sells. So expect to log some serious out of town travel in your first year.

9. You do it their way or the highway. GEt used to that answer.

10. I asked him what happens when you go to an appointment and the person acts like they don't know about it or refuse to let you in. His response was you tell them you are going to call back to the "office" and listen to the recording of all the calls setting up the appointment. He said they will usually feel guilty and let you in. That is the type of attitude you have to have to succeed. I also asked him how he would handle an irate son or daughter that was upset you had their retired parent sign something without consulting the son or daughter. He said you ask them if the son or daughter is an expert in Medicare? Will it work? Probably. But that is the type of attitude you have to have. But the bottom line is you will pay $18 for each appointment, whether you get in the door or not. Translation, you are wrong, SHC is right. Get used to that answer.

11. They never talk about customer service. It is all about making your quota and doing it the SHC way. If you don't make a sale, it is your fault for not following the SHC way. They believe their approach is bulletproof if followed to the letter.

12. You have to pay for your own training. It is $599 plus travel, food and lodging in Dallas. The problem with paying for the training is they don't really have anything invested in making good selections for new agents. If an agent doesn't work out, SHC isn't out anything. No harm to the company. In fact, they just made money. A little bit of a conflict of interest here if you ask me.

13. Go watch the testimonials. Look at the senior executives eyes. Do you see any real empathy? Do you see any real excitement? Do they look exceptionally smart? Do you see anyone with gray hair? You be the judge.

14. They are very upfront about how hard the job is. They tell you what the costs will be and they tell you it is all about making money. I give them props for that. I am sure there are some people make a lot of money. I am also sure there are people who are barely making any money. I would say the people making a lot of money are few and far between, and that the executives are making a killing.

It really comes down to me that I don't know if they are financially stable and I question how young the management team is. I also see warning signs in the "high roller" personalities I see. I do think helping seniors make a decision on their healthcare is very important and I have no doubt that if you apply the SHC process you will be successful. But does that translate into actually helping the senior? Tough call.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:28 am   Post subject: SHC things to know  

I have been through the webinar by Fritz Simonson and have had a phone interview with him. Don't know if they are going to "select" me, but let me give you my thoughts about the company so far.

1. The management team is very young. Most are in their early 30s. I am always concerned when the people running a company are this young.

2. They are concerned with money and perks. They have a hunting lodge and they give away Range Rovers. I am always concerned with a "high roller" mentality. It is easy for people with this attitude lose site of the big picture.

3. Their CFO is not a CPA and apparently has never held any significant CFO or Controller position in the past. In fact, he used to be a salesman for SHC. This shows they are more concerned about sales experience than financial accounting experience. They won't be able to grow without real financial leadership.

4. They don't want to show you any financial information on the financial strength of the company. Let me ask you, if you are going to spend 60 to 70 hours a week building a commission stream, wouldn't you want to know how financially sound they are? Wouldn't it really suck if you worked for a couple years and then had the company go out of business and see your commissions go away? Of course you would. SHC won't do business with an insurance company if they aren't financially sound, why would you want to do business with a company that can't prove to you they are financially sound. Fritz got a little testy with me when I asked him for audited financial statements. Wonder why? If you are financially sound, you shouldn't have a problem showing financials.

5. Most of the testimonials on their website are officers or senior managers. Not much from the rank and file. Wonder why?

6. A new agent’s day will start at 6 am with a conference call with your manager. This was not disclosed until the phone interview. With this schedule it is conceivable you will be working 70 to 80 hours. The early literature says you will not have Saturday appointments, as you get further into the interview process, that becomes less clear. Additionally, they say you won't have appointments on Sunday or Monday, again given the "don't quit until you meet your quota" mentality, I don't believe it.

7. I would assume their sales have been taken a hit with the bad economy. Baby boomers are delaying retirement because their investments took a 30% to 50% hit last year. Since they are continuing to work, they are still receiving medical insurance from their company plans.

8. They like to send "new" salespeople to small towns. Apparently small town people are easier sells. So expect to log some serious out of town travel in your first year.

9. You do it their way or the highway. GEt used to that answer.

10. I asked him what happens when you go to an appointment and the person acts like they don't know about it or refuse to let you in. His response was you tell them you are going to call back to the "office" and listen to the recording of all the calls setting up the appointment. He said they will usually feel guilty and let you in. That is the type of attitude you have to have to succeed. I also asked him how he would handle an irate son or daughter that was upset you had their retired parent sign something without consulting the son or daughter. He said you ask them if the son or daughter is an expert in Medicare? Will it work? Probably. But that is the type of attitude you have to have. But the bottom line is you will pay $18 for each appointment, whether you get in the door or not. Translation, you are wrong, SHC is right. Get used to that answer.

11. They never talk about customer service. It is all about making your quota and doing it the SHC way. If you don't make a sale, it is your fault for not following the SHC way. They believe their approach is bulletproof if followed to the letter.

12. You have to pay for your own training. It is $599 plus travel, food and lodging in Dallas. The problem with paying for the training is they don't really have anything invested in making good selections for new agents. If an agent doesn't work out, SHC isn't out anything. No harm to the company. In fact, they just made money. A little bit of a conflict of interest here if you ask me.

13. Go watch the testimonials. Look at the senior executives eyes. Do you see any real empathy? Do you see any real excitement? Do they look exceptionally smart? Do you see anyone with gray hair? You be the judge.

14. They are very upfront about how hard the job is. They tell you what the costs will be and they tell you it is all about making money. I give them props for that. I am sure there are some people make a lot of money. I am also sure there are people who are barely making any money. I would say the people making a lot of money are few and far between, and that the executives are making a killing.

It really comes down to me that I don't know if they are financially stable and I question how young the management team is. I also see warning signs in the "high roller" personalities I see. I do think helping seniors make a decision on their healthcare is very important and I have no doubt that if you apply the SHC process you will be successful. But does that translate into actually helping the senior? Tough call.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:53 am   Post subject: SCH  

I went to the Fritz seminar online tonight. I have to say I was very impressed with the presentation. Then they forward you an email of plz pay $599. for training and then $18. for each appointment whether your sell anything or not. So basically you start out with -$600.00 in your pocket and more if you want appointments. But also if you do look at it like a business as they say you should then really that's not alot of out of pocket money to invest in any business. I do believe that they will weed out more , quicker, if they were just upfront and honest in the presentation to start with! I personaly like the idea but financialy in this economy with a family cannot take the chance as of yet or I would!


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:47 pm   Post subject: SHC  

Thanks for all the comments, especially from saintknowitall . I believe in helping fellow seniors and in working hard, but

The CFO thing and the testimonials by mostly youngsters did get my attention, and the fees.

I was just ready to call to interview for the job, but now - NO THANKS.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:54 pm   Post subject: let the buyer beware  

I listened to the presentation - very fluffy and filled with hype and projections. Sure it sounds good, albeit with hard work. They then tell you how special you are and you were selected - and will send you a link so you can pay your $599 and someone will call you. When I asked to review the contract - I was denied unless I committed to moving forward. They are filled with high pressure and I am sure they make more money off the fees than from earnings - churn and burn Internet Scam based concept preying on honest people looking for a legit opportunity.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:14 pm   Post subject: Testimonies  

I have been in the insurance business for 20 years and was just curious when I stumbled onto their Google Ad. I did listen to their video and read the comments. I have learned not to be a captive agent. Chances are if you decide to leave that company there will be a non-compete disclosure and you cannot contact your hard earned customer base for at least a year. If you have to pay $18 per appointment you can do that on your own and still sell for whatever company you choose and not be captive. Also, from past history I will not sign up with a company until I know who they write for and can look at all of the contracts. I need to know that what they have to offer is something that I would offer my mother. One thing that caught my attention is that there are no women high in the company or in any of the testimonials. Women beware of that. I have no desire to work for men with the "Good Old Boy" mentality. I need to know that my gender is not going to hold me back because of someones ego or arrogance.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:06 pm   Post subject:   

I am considering seriously about joining Senior Healthcare Associates.



It is amazing that they are a member of the BBB and there are never any posts from clients or their family that say anything negative about SHC.



On other forums the only negative comments are failed salesman blaming SHC for their bad perfomance or lack of vision.



So far in my dealings with SHC they have been very carefull not to sugar coat the job but to tell it like it is, firstly in the webinar then in the powerpoint presentation and also in the telephone interviews. If I join this company I know exactly what is expected of me from day one.



Also although they ask for $599 (which I have not been asked for yet) they will reimburse most of that back in the first couple of weeks if you perform and also some of your licensing costs as well.



There are testimonials on their website from consultants who joined in the early part of 2009 which should give a better balanced view on this company.



I like what I see so far.


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