New opportunity for AmPm-Marathon participants

Submitted by lakemen on Fri, 10/31/2008 - 14:23

Dear Members,

It truly feels good to see the success of AmPm-Marathon over the months. We have witnessed a considerable increase in the volume of posts of late, and this has led us to give you all an opportunity to enhance your quality and accuracy.

We have come up with an idea of selecting our winners through your votes from now on. This would give you a scope to monitor each others' posts and evaluate their worth in terms of both information and quality. Our panel of experts have decided to pick up the top five performers every month for your consideration.

We would expect each one of you to vote for the member-id that you believe to have participated effectively and promoted the cause of our forums through quality posting and knowledge-sharing. The winner for Oct'08 would be declared automatically once we achieve the polling results after 7 days.

I would certainly look forward to your kind cooperation towards the success of our contests.
Regards,
Lakemen

Posted: 31 Oct 2008 02:29 Post Subject:

I don't know any domestic terrorists or a plumber named Joe.

Posted: 31 Oct 2008 04:40 Post Subject:

Voted. Don't klow if I like this or not... but it's interesting.

Posted: 31 Oct 2008 04:56 Post Subject:

I think it is really a hard choice here to make because I feel all four (myself excluded) have all been wonderful posters and have a lot of repect for all of them. They are my favorites when coming here to either get answers or to post with. Each one has taught me a lot concerning the insurance world since I came here and I do not think I can choose.

Posted: 31 Oct 2008 05:13 Post Subject:

Yeah, sorry Lakemen, I don't think I like this idea either, I'll certainly cooperate and vote, but not sure about it...do you have to be a registered member to vote? If so how many posts must you make prior to voting?

Posted: 31 Oct 2008 05:14 Post Subject:

sorry forgot to vote and apparently you have to post in the thread to do so...

Posted: 31 Oct 2008 06:53 Post Subject:

Two things I'm a bit iffy about.

1. You have to post to vote (what Lori pointed out)
2. I'm not so sure I would have the poll restults visible

Posted: 31 Oct 2008 07:43 Post Subject:

I personally think this will just have to be a "trial and error" type situation, but at least it's a start in the right direction.

I haven't seen any guidelines as to what is or isn't a "quality" post. We all have our own individual ideas, but I think it would be better for us to all grade a member's work based on some established guidelines, some common ground.

My vote would be to allow only registered members to vote on the winner.

I don't think we should ever judge anyone's commitment to the community by the "number of posts" he or she has made.

What has a member done to develop a more professional insurance community? Does he/she have a blog with current content?

We obviously have members with insurance experience and also those who don't have any experience, other than their own personal experience.
How do we grade knowledge against just opinions and experiences?

Even though we shouldn't be giving out professional advice as in an agent/client relationship, there are just some things that we know.

I don't think the votes shoud be visible and how do we prevent a member from voting more than once?

This is an excellent idea, just needs some thought and work.

Maze

Posted: 31 Oct 2008 08:07 Post Subject:

I don't believe the results are visible. I didn't vote because I couldn't chose between so many good people (self excluded). I honestly and personaly don't think winning something can replace being a member to the community.

Posted: 31 Oct 2008 08:08 Post Subject:

Once you vote, your access to the poll is turned off.

I admit, I am one of those who probably "chatter" more than I should. Is that necessarily a bad thing? I'm not so sure that chatter is bad. Everyone comes to message boards for one reason or another. I personally would hate to see a board that has no personality. If everyone strictly posted factual information, no lame jokes, or off the wall comments, I think things would be pretty boring.

As people read the different threads, if they see a post that isn't adding anything to what they are looking for, they will just move on by.

It doesn't take that much time to skip a post or two because someone is talking about a pony or a pot of chili or something that happened to them several years ago.

Too many things in today's world are negative. Bad news everywhere it seems sometimes. If I can find a place that will make me think or laugh, smile, shake my head, groan, or entice an emotion, well, that is where I want to be for part of my day.

Posted: 31 Oct 2008 08:24 Post Subject:

Board only allows one vote per user name.

I would agree with Insurance Maze's views. Though I would not mind giving this a few months to see how it goes. Its a novel idea.

Posted: 31 Oct 2008 10:50 Post Subject:

Board only allows one vote per user name.



That's certainly good to know.

Is that necessarily a bad thing? I'm not so sure that chatter is bad. Everyone comes to message boards for one reason or another. I personally would hate to see a board that has no personality.



I couldn't agree more, we want personality, but here's the problem.

This is not just any community forum, it's an "insurance" forum. Normally, when someone poses a question here it's about insurance in some form - life, health, auto, etc.

For someone to come in and make a post like -"Well, I don't know much about auto insurance, but just hang in there and I'm sure soneone will be along in just a minute" - is a total waste of time and space. These posts do not present the "personality" we want to have.

We have this Pub and we can discuss anythihg from armadillos to zebras and no one cares.

There are many professional insurance agents and agency owners who participate in professional forums. These people could actually advertise their agency for free here. In order to attract these people, there must be a reason for them to come here, right?

When I see a thread that starts with an honest serious question, I do my best to give an informative answer. When I see a question that I know absolutely nothing about, I pass it by.

There's certainly nothing wrong with having some fun, heck, my hero is Shrek!

Trying to give someone some advise on whether they should purchase term or permanent life insurance would just seem to be the wrong place to make jokes and talk about chili.

The Pub was once entitled "Non-Insurance Talk", but someone chose to change that.

Though I would not mind giving this a few months to see how it goes. Its a novel idea.



It is a novel idea and I think Lakemen needs and will appreciate our input.

Maze

Posted: 31 Oct 2008 11:25 Post Subject:

Okay, I agree that the chatter has to end if it has nothing to do with the post.

I think that these new rules should have taken affect next month, new rules, new month. You should not be able to change the rules in the middle of the game, in fact this was at the very end. It is very clear that fireyone is the winner for this month. If her posts were not worth it, then they should have been deleted and points removed for before now at the end of the month.

I understand that you want a professional image here, however, this is a public forum, it does not state anywhere here that you have to be an industry expert to express your oppinion or share your personal experience. Personally, weather my oppinion counts here or not, I like to hear what other people have been through and how they handled their situation.

Thank god Lori has an attitude and the patience to explain to us dimwits who don't have insurance experience, she is honestly the only one that I have seen that works in the industry that will take the time to explain or break down a post to the industry illiterate to layman terms so that the normal everyday consumer understands it.

I think this voting thing will work, I agree we all should have input, but I think it should start next month. I do think that the everyday person who posts on this forum should have the same chance that the industry expert does. If it comes down to only the experts oppinions counting then it loses its value as a public forum and becomes a private party where only a few oppinions count.

Not everyone is going to be able to develop and maintain a blog, so I think that part of it should not be considered at all. The bloggers are making their dime through adsense and their reward should be the satisfaction of doing the blog and contributing it to the forum period.

We are all adults here, if we have a problem then lets just bring it to the table instead of pming and complaining about it. We can discuss issues in open forum, surely we are all capable of that much.

Okay, I am done for now. :?

Posted: 31 Oct 2008 11:52 Post Subject:

goodnatured, I'll have to agree with you on this one.

fireyone is the clear winner for the month of October and we should not establish new guidelines on the last day of the month.

I can't change my vote, but in good faith , I think the prize should go to her.

Posted: 01 Nov 2008 12:00 Post Subject:

This discussion is heathly and can only benefit all the members of the forum. It can bring to light the things we need to change, make us more productive members, and a stronger community all together. I personally look forward to learning and being a part of this community for a long time.

Posted: 01 Nov 2008 12:14 Post Subject:

Thank you Maze for coming to the plate on this one, I hope lakeman will come on board and make this right also. It is just the right thing to do for this month.

Posted: 01 Nov 2008 12:02 Post Subject:

I think that these new rules should have taken affect next month, new rules, new month. You should not be able to change the rules in the middle of the game, in fact this was at the very end

I'm in 110% agreement with this....

goodnatured, I'll have to agree with you on this one. fireyone is the clear winner for the month of October and we should not establish new guidelines on the last day of the month.

and with this...in fact if lakemen doesn't change it and I would win, I will insist that it be given to her...you just don't/shouldn't do this on the last day of the month.

Also, it worries me that if we aren't careful we will turn this into a septic boring, get the pencil out of my eye forum. I see nothing wrong with a little play on words, joke, humor that is in the post ALONG with staying on topic...nor do I see any real issue with another poster's empathy telling a distressed OP that another with more knowledge will be along shortly...you all know there are dead forums everywhere someone posts and no body answers ever...this (IMO) gives the OP some information that 'really and truly someone will answer you soon'...if you want to take the money from that poster, ok then do it. although I find that petty..

Frankly I think that the 'non ins pros' generally add about as much to this forum as us 'experts' them asking a question in a thread about something they don't understand (usually because we are talking over peoples heads that don't do this everyday for a living)...I think that more times than not they are echoing the same question that most comsumers would have...and then that question is answered for what a ga-zillion people maybe? :wink:

I just think we need to be careful not to get up on our "holier than thou" just because I know more about a topic than you do...after all is this not a place for the masses to come to learn and understand more about this business?...look at the post volumn, what's number one, two three? it ain't in the agents discussion, it's people that have QUESTIONS not answers.

I totally agree with the chatter, and by chatter I DON'T mean, that while talking about a thread that is about life ins or life ins beneficarys, it wanders to wills...still relevant, still good information...what 'i' mean by chatter is in the middle of a thread totally losing any recognition of the OP...ie 'so, what's for supper'...

Sorry Maze I disagree with the blog thing...I know that's your baby and that's great...I have no time and don't think anyone should be penalized for that...If I spent time on a blog I wouldn't have the time to spend here.

I totally agree that "most" problems can be handled by group discussion, you have an issue post it in the pub, draw in your fellow posters...this site doesn't not belong to any of us...we are all EQUAL community members and should respect each other accordingly.

Alright I'm done for now...

Posted: 01 Nov 2008 12:23 Post Subject:

Excellent points Lori,

I only have one more things to say and I will be done unless something new comes up, LOL. The more I thought about this the more I thought how wrong I was. WE are part of the insurance industry, we are the Consumers of the industry. This is a product that we purchase, so as that consumer, I am happy to come here and learn. I changed a lot of things with my car insurance last year through discussion on this board. Learned a lot about the policy and what I should have to be covered.

With that being said, I hope we can all take note from this discussion that all of us have some changes to make and in a group setting you must be flexible and willing to give in sometimes. I hope as a public forum we can be a little more tolerant of each other, continue to respect each other and in the future be more willing to discuss things in the open, come up with a reasonable solution to send to lakeman for approval.

Okay, I am out of here for a while.

Posted: 01 Nov 2008 01:35 Post Subject:

I certainly agree with most of what's been said, with one exception.

A thread was started about the "chatter" thing and now it has been moved over to this thread. This is probably the best example of my concerns about this forum. I know we're in the Pub.

I'm not speaking for InsTeacher because he is perfectly qualified to speak for himself, but I think his beef was that too many "non-insurance" people are trying to give insurance advice that someone might use and be very sorry later.

If you tell someone that a primary beneficary of a life insurance policy must have an interest in the insured's life (a risk of monetary loss), that's totally wrong. Sounds right, but wrong.

nor do I see any real issue with another poster's empathy telling a distressed OP that another with more knowledge will be along shortly



Sorry Lori, but I just don't get that one.

I just think we need to be careful not to get up on our "holier than thou" just because I know more about a topic than you do...after all is this not a place for the masses to come to learn and understand more about this business?...



I don't think anyone has this type of attitude and if that was directed especially toward me, you couldn't be more wrong. In over a year, I may have posted two or three times on a topic relating to "insurance claims".
I am not a claims person, don't know a lot about them and have no desire to learn. If I can add something constructive to the topic, I just flat stay away from it.

Sorry Maze I disagree with the blog thing...I know that's your baby and that's great...I have no time and don't think anyone should be penalized for that...If I spent time on a blog I wouldn't have the time to spend here.



I have never blogged in my life until I created the first one here. I manage a multi-line insurance agency, design web sites, personally maintain five different web sites, am a freelance writer on the web and have eight grandchildren. I'm certainly not tooting my own horn, but even that's not all a bad thing. I am a firm believer in the statement 'We do those things that we sincerely want to do."

I have also just formed a non-profit organization whose purpose is to spread public awareness of domestic violence in this country.

I live a very active life and there is never a time when I say "I'm bored".

I totally agree that "most" problems can be handled by group discussion, you have an issue post it in the pub, draw in your fellow posters...this site doesn't not belong to any of us...we are all EQUAL community members and should respect each other accordingly.



No argement from me on this one. This is probably the best discussion we have ever had as long as I have been a member. The first thing we did was to all agree that this community had its problems and that is the only way any problem can be corrected - recognize a problem.

I respect every here, I just don't always agree with them. I don't want to own this forum, because I really wouldn't know what to do with it if I did.
I, like all the rest, don't get paid, but when I volunteer to become a part of anything, it is my passion to make it better, whatever it is.

I just haven't decided in my own mind if it is proper for the entire world to see us airing out our dirty laundry. :roll:

Posted: 01 Nov 2008 01:38 Post Subject:

Sorry, I wasn't logged in. Hate it when that happens.
Maze

PS - Lori, can you fix the typos? I'm in a vehicle. Thanks.

Posted: 01 Nov 2008 01:52 Post Subject:

I'm not speaking for InsTeacher because he is perfectly qualified to speak for himself, but I think his beef was that too many "non-insurance" people are trying to give insurance advice that someone might use and be very sorry later.

I totally agree and get that...we've also seen many 'professionals' give wrong advise as well, and wonder where in the hell they got their answer from...

Sorry Lori, but I just don't get that one.

That's ok you don't have to get it or agree with me...we all have opinions one isn't any more valid than the other.

I don't think anyone has this type of attitude and if that was directed especially toward me, you couldn't be more wrong. In over a year, I may have posted two or three times on a topic relating to "insurance claims".

No if it were directly personally toward you I'd have said so...and I don't think that anyone really feels that way, however I do think that it comes across that way some times...the problem with the typed word is you can't see someones face or hear inflection in their voices...so the typed word can be 'heard' in many ways...

'We do those things that we sincerely want to do."


You're right, ok I'll change my statement to 'I don't want to devote the time it takes to blog'....I'm not going to get into who leads a busier life, what's the point? I just (at this point in my life) do not feel that I want to devote what extra time I have to blogging, and honestly it's all I can do to stay on top of this...I'm sure I'm not alone, and don't think that a monthly contest for posting on this site should also require blogging...Have a blogging contest if you want, they (IMO) are two separate things...

I live a very active life and there is never a time when I say "I'm bored

Me either! and sure do wish I had the 'luxury' to say I was bored from time to time! :lol: :lol:

I, like all the rest, don't get paid, but when I volunteer to become a part of anything, it is my passion to make it better, whatever it is.


i would hazard a guess that I've put more of 'my' time in on this site than any other 'volunteer' I don't get paid to mod..I get the same as everyone else...I want this site to succeed, because I think it provides a valueable service to the consumer...and I hope to in some tiny way take a bit of the load off of someone under stress...that's it...so I know and agree with you there.


I just haven't decided in my own mind if it is proper for the entire world to see us airing out our dirty laundry

Oh well, hell who doesn't have dirty laundry? :wink: Actually the way I look at it is the same with marriage, and children, it's ok for kids to see their parents argue, (dependent on the topic of course) , IF, and only IF they also get to see it resolved, and them make up...that teaches that we can disagree, but we can also come back together with a common goal.

Posted: 01 Nov 2008 11:28 Post Subject: vote

Alot of my wonderful 'insight' has been from people on this forum. I've searched different websites, however.......I think the best advice you can give is people gping through the same thing and that have the same concerns ( ie..Life Insurance for their kids, etc.)

Posted: 01 Nov 2008 11:56 Post Subject:

PS - Lori, can you fix the typos? I'm in a vehicle. Thanks.

I would Maze, but for some reason when they did all this upgrading I have zero mod. functions in the pub....all I can edit is my own...all other areas I have them (moderator functions) but not in this category. I'll ask about that, don't know if it is intentional or not. (also didn't realize it till right now)

Posted: 03 Nov 2008 09:46 Post Subject:

I admit, I am one of those who probably "chatter" more than I should. Is that necessarily a bad thing? I'm not so sure that chatter is bad.



Certainly not and in no account we should make this board a dry information storehouse. But at the same time the need of the hour is to value the comments and therefore the poster, which will help the visitors in need. We are here to extend our supports to people, who are in trouble with their insurance policies. I think this voting system is a good move, I'm sure that this isn't done with a purpose to undervalue someone's contribution, but to pick the community's favorite. I'd definitely cast my vote in favor of my favorite member ;)

However, I don't support the introduction of the idea at the middle of the month. The authority should declare the winner of this month following the old process and should start the system from the next Marathon contest.

~Jeremy

Posted: 03 Nov 2008 10:31 Post Subject:

Introducing the voting system is really a nice idea. Just the number of posts may not have been a very good way to judge a winner. The real winner might go undiscovered otherwise. Someone who really takes the pain of going through a post and analyzing the requirement before coming up with a possible solution or suggestion surely could do with a pat-on-the-back. I sure am glad that the community has come up with such a bright idea. Only he/she who deserves should win :)

Posted: 03 Nov 2008 11:55 Post Subject:

A thread was started about the "chatter" thing and now it has been moved over to this thread. This is probably the best example of my concerns about this forum. I know we're in the Pub.

I'm sorry maze, I meant to comment on this and forgot to..see this is MY concern, I think that's a bit nit picky, as you said we are in the Pub so really what's the beef? And it is on topic because it's about the new contest...I don't understand what your concern with 'this' thread or post is...I'm not being argumentative, I seriously want to know...

I admit, I am one of those who probably "chatter" more than I should. Is that necessarily a bad thing? I'm not so sure that chatter is bad.

I agree with Todd here, when we expand on a topic, I don't see the problem...now if in the middle of the thread (as I've said) we ask "how was your day?" totally different and I agree that has nothing to do with the topic at all and should not happen...I'm just concerned that we are going to turn into a group of 'monitors' that take or attempt to take any freedom to ask questions to expand the topic....which i think adds to this community

Posted: 07 Nov 2008 04:31 Post Subject:

I have cast my vote for the one I believe should win this Marathon :)

Posted: 07 Nov 2008 04:34 Post Subject:

I have cast my vote for the one I believe should win this Marathon


Me too!

Regards, ArindamSenIndies

Posted: 07 Nov 2008 05:51 Post Subject:

I have cast my vote for the one I believe should win this Marathon

I thought we were voting on prettiest baby avatar!? Oh, man... did I screw up.

Posted: 07 Nov 2008 06:17 Post Subject: Winner of the Oct'08 Marathon

Hi all,

I have been following your mails and messages about considering the new AmPm-marathon voting system from the next month onwards. I am quite convinced that all our community members have agreed upon it and so I'm here to declare Fireyone as the winner of AmPm-marathon for the month of Oct'08. Congratulations Fireyone!!

At the same time, I'd request you all to continue nourishing our forums with your experiences and convey fresh ideas that might help the community in the long run!

Regards,
Lakemen

Posted: 07 Nov 2008 10:37 Post Subject:

I just wanted to thank everyone for this opportunity. I really enjoy coming here and being a part of this community. I look forward to posting with everyone and enjoy the time I spend here. I have appreciated the help that was given to me along the way and all that I have learned here from all the knowledgable members.
Thank You once again to all the members and to the Insurance forum.

Posted: 07 Nov 2008 11:47 Post Subject:

CONGRATS FIREYONE!

You-da-woooooooooo-MAN!

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