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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:15 pm Post subject: Variable universal life insurance: Combination of 2 benefits |
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Does a person have a life insurance policy that combines the benefits of both variable life insurance as well as universal life insurance? _________________ Register Now to have your Insurance queries solved. |
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:12 am Post subject: |
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Not wanting to sound glib, but you're describing Variable Universal Life. Is that what you were getting at?
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:09 am Post subject: |
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I'd thank the site moderators for giving a proper title to my thread. But, do we really have life insurance policies that could be termed as variable universal life policies?
I was simply looking for a policy that offers flexible coverage with an investment option. _________________ Register Now to have your Insurance queries solved. |
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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Yes...Variable Universal Life insurance offers the separate account investment feature with a flexible premium.
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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So you get a % return on your premiums?
How exactly does that work - do they just charge you more for the same level of cover? _________________ Get free insurance quotes or Purchase auto Insurance online in minutes. |
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:25 am Post subject: |
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Not exactly, the policy is essentially a yearly renewable term product with an investment account tied to it. You'll pay a premium that covers fees and charges and the remainder goes into the investment account. You can put as much money as you want into the policy--of course you can turn the contract into a modified endowment contract if you put too much money in it.
The return you get is dependent on your investment account performance. As long as the cash component of the policy has a positive balance and the charges associated with the policy have been paid, the policy will remain in force. |
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| In a VUL insurance policy you'd have 2 death benefit options - variable and fixed. I guess the variable death benefit is worth a sum total of the cash value generated till death and the face amount. |
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| You could choose your own investment portfolio with vul policies. You'll not get this benefit with the universal life policies. You'll come across different investment options with different carriers but all of these policies would generally offer you investment options through stocks, securities, bonds and mutual funds. Under such circumstances, the death benefit and the cash value would depend on how your investment performs. |
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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Never, ever, ever, ever buy a UL or VUL or EIUL policy without understanding what the cost of insurance will be every year. Also, don't sell one of these policies without understanding that also.
The COI won't be in the illustration and won't be in the prospectus. _________________ Register Now to have your Insurance queries solved. |
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:39 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Never, ever, ever, ever buy a UL or VUL or EIUL policy without understanding what the cost of insurance will be every year. |
Do you recommend any website wherein I may study more about the different elements of insurance cost. Or do you want me to get a detailed explanation from the agents? _________________ Register Now to have your Insurance queries solved. |
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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They keep the cost of insurance hidden. The agent can get this information for you. If they hesitate, get a new agent. Don't confuse "cost of insurance" with "premium". _________________ Register Now to have your Insurance queries solved. |
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:05 am Post subject: |
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| You can also search more about that topic. Cost Insurance can be given to you by your agent. |
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:12 am Post subject: Understanding VUL, UL, EIUL |
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Contrary to the several statements that cost of insurance is not disclosed in VUL, UL, or EIUL contracts, it is. It must be by law. What you will find in EVERY type of "universal" contract is a Table of Guaranteed Cost of Insurance.
This is the MAXIMUM that the COI will ever be at any age. It will be listed as $$/$1,000 of death benefit (either per month or per year -- watch out for this, because if by month, it makes the cost look very low -- you have to multiply by 12 to get the true COI). The "current" cost of insurance can be obtained directly from the insurer (which is what some of the commenters mean when they write that the agent can get the information for you). It can also be deduced from the monthly, quarterly, or (required) annual statement.
But COI is only one component of the total cost of any "universal" life policy. In addition to this, there is a monthly Mortality & Expense (M&E) charge to support the "Guaranteed Death Benefit", a monthly administrative fee, a sales charge (can be nearly double what you'd pay for mutual fund "A" shares), fees for riders, plus the internal expenses in a VUL's subaccounts, and there's often a special assessment during the first 1-2 years (or more), that helps to offset the commission paid to the agent. All of these charges erode the monthly premium payment, to the point that very little might be going toward cash accumulation the separate account.
VUL polices have a "guaranteed death benefit" and a face amount of insurance. The face amount could be $500,000 while the guaranteed death benefit might be as little as $25,000. The "guaranteed death benefit" is only guaranteed (in most contracts) if ALL premium payments are made, on time and without fail. Miss one payment, and the guarantee could evaporate.
Like all other UL forms of insurance, VUL also has "death benefit options" (A & B, or A, B, & C =or= 1 & 2 / 1, 2, & 3) which correspond to Level and Increasing, or Level, Increasing, and Return of Premium [ROP]). "Level" is the least costly, ROP the most expensive. "Increasing" is usually 25% to 60% more costly than "Level".
Agents will prepare robust hypothetical illustrations that show cash accumulation into the millions of dollars over time, and fail to point out that the policy could lapse without value at any time there is insufficient cash value, together with premiums paid, to cover the cost of insurance, riders, and all other monthly fees.
All UL policies require active management by their owners to prevent the policy from lapsing. Understand that any UL policy can lapse even as premiums are being paid -- if the premium itself is insufficient.
Combine a declining stock market with VUL premiums calculated too low, due to that "robust" illustration, and you have a disaster waiting to happen. Unless more and more money is funneled into the policy. Not usually a wise choice.
If you don't have life insurancec, have never had life insurance, but like the potential of paying money for years only to end up with no insurance, no cash value, and a tax bill from the IRS, then VUL is the right product for you. But if there is one thing in that short list you don't like, then stay away from VUL.
There's nothing wrong with the product itself. The problem is that most agents don't understand it, they sell it because it pays huge commissions and they're often told to sell it, and they illustrate it to make it look like a rocket to the moon. The prospective insured who doesn't know or understand how it works would be better off with some other life insurance product.
Term life and separate savings program of any type is usually a better path to follow.
Send me your questions about any type of life insurance, and you'll get an answer you can understand.
And, please! Don't believe any agent who tells you that a policy will pay for itself after a certain number of years without you paying a premium. Only happens in whole life policies intended to be paid-up after a specified number of years -- RARELY, IF EVER, happens in UL, VUL, EIUL. _________________ CA-licensed P&C Broker-Agent and Life Agent. CA Insurance Lic #0596197. Now investigating insurance company abuses, and providing litigation support and expert witness services. Send me your questions, and I'll send you my answers. |
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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The COI is hidden. Is it in the illustration? No. Is it in the prospectus? No. Does the agent discuss the COI with the agent and what it will be every year? No.
The COI is in the contract. When does a client actually get this contract? They don't get it until after a policy has been applied for and approved by the insurance company.
One shouldn't apply for a UL policy without understanding the COI in advance. _________________ Register Now to have your Insurance queries solved. |
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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If an agent fails to discuss COI during the negotiations leading up to the application for insurance, which is virtually impossible to prove in the absence of witnesses or a recording, he has committed concealment which allows the "injured party" (the policyowner) to rescind.
Every contract of insurance comes with a minimum 10-day free look period during which the policyowner is expected to read, understand, question, and decide to keep or return the contract to the insurer. Most fail to do so, relying on their (usually faulty) understanding of the policy based on the communication from the agent.
UL policies -- particularly VUL, EIUL, and MVA UL -- are exceptionally complex contracts, and include insane formulas that require calculations with numbers that have 6 or 8 digits to the right of the decimal point. Few agents have ever read the contracts they put in the hands of their clients. Most lawyers don't know how to read an insurance contract.
Sadly, most folks choose a UL policy based on the hypothetical illustrations the agent presents. They see $100 (or substantially larger) monthly premiums adding up to millions of dollars over time. Unfortunately, I've never seen a UL policy perform as the illustration projected. Most go in the opposite direction, eventually imploding because the minimum premium was never enough to support the policy to maturity in the first place.
How do I know this? Just take a look at the "Guaranteed Columns" in the illustrations. Unless they have something other than a string of zeroes leading to the last year of the policy, that's what will probably happen -- no cash value and no insurance long before the insured dies.
Does that make UL a bogus insurance product? Hardly. But it makes clear that more than the minimum premiums are needed to support the policy. Few persons, other than corporations and the very wealthy, truly have the financial means to make a UL policy work to its maturity date -- which is now AGE 120/121 in all policies, thanks to the CSO 2001 that has been adopted by all of the states. (It's also the reason life insurance premums have dropped about 5% in the past 5 years -- everyone has longer to pay on paper, so they don't need to pay as much.)
I'll be happy to answer any and all questions on any aspect of life insurance. _________________ CA-licensed P&C Broker-Agent and Life Agent. CA Insurance Lic #0596197. Now investigating insurance company abuses, and providing litigation support and expert witness services. Send me your questions, and I'll send you my answers. |
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